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Title: Affordable Housing
Post by: Paris on July 08, 2011, 02:17:27 PM
Anyone else seen this article in the Maidenhead Advertiser?

http://www.maidenheadadvertiser.co.uk/news/article-22187-parish-council-to-move-forward-with-affordable-housing-in-cookham/

I wonder where they think the land is coming from?  Surely we're not going to have to start launching campaigns to stop them building on green-belt land.

And anyway what's wrong with Cookham being a place to aspire to live in?


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Gazzetta on July 10, 2011, 08:06:40 AM
Cookham has nurseries and schools.  A GP surgery and a parade of shops.   This surely means it needs families.  I for one aspire to own a property in Cookham so please lets build some affordable homes.  Thats unless I win £166m on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Paris on July 11, 2011, 12:35:16 PM
So you wouldn't mind living in a conurbation of Maidenhead then?  Or seeing the lovely farmland around the Cookhams turned into housing estates?

I would and so would a lot of people.

It would no longer be a case of 'the Cookhams' they'd all run one into another - I can just see the whole Poundfield issue starting all over again . . .

And anyway, they're already 'garden grabbing' in Whyteladyes Lane in order to provide old people's accommodation when Payton House gets demolished.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Winter on July 11, 2011, 06:39:21 PM
There are barely enough primary school places in Cookham. This year some Cookham children will have to travel into Maidenhead, despite being within walking distance of 2 or 3 schools in Cookham.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: kingfisher on July 11, 2011, 07:00:48 PM


And anyway, they're already 'garden grabbing' in Whyteladyes Lane in order to provide old people's accommodation when Payton House gets demolished.

I don't see where you got this info from?? All the residents who've been moved out so far have gone to other sheltered accommodation in Maidenhead...


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Eagle on July 11, 2011, 08:12:22 PM
I wonder if Paris has children that would like to stay and live in the area in which they grew up? There is a need for affordable housing for such people.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Kiki1 on July 11, 2011, 08:27:33 PM
I wonder if Paris has children that would like to stay and live in the area in which they grew up? There is a need for affordable housing for such people.

If Paris has just one child (or two if not a single parent) then no additional housing is required.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Eagle on July 11, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
I was referring to grown up children who may wish to leave home but live in their birth place.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Kiki1 on July 12, 2011, 09:34:18 AM
The answer would be the same though, unless the house of the parents was sold off to a completely new family.

Property inheritance is quickly becoming the number one method by which those new to the ladder are getting onboard, additionally influencing the numbers of elderly farmed out to retirement homes.

Whilst it is true the larger, closeknit families will take care of their predecessors under one roof, they are now very much in the minority. 


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: CH on July 12, 2011, 11:46:40 AM
What we need to do it to make Cookham a horrible place to live then property prices will go down and anyone who still actually wants to live here will be able to afford it.  Eureka!

... oh, hang on a mo ...


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: anon on July 12, 2011, 12:49:49 PM
Lots of places need affordable housing: Cookham, South Kensington, Monaco, Mustique. If you want to live in such places then you need an income to support it. That's life.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Bob on July 12, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
It has been said here in Discussions a few times before - if all the requests for housing for grown-up children had been met over the past century or so, Cookham would long ago have become one massive housing estate joined onto Maidenhead.

As for doctors and schools, all Cookham's resources are already overloaded. It's already hard enough to get an appointment with your own GP or practice nurse when you need one.

Unless people want Cookham spoiled and urbanised even further, it's time that the parish council, Cookham Society and residents accepted that enough is enough and fought ANY potential development very firmly. The area is already over-populated and on the verge of being spoiled if development isn't stopped now. Not enough people seem to recognise that the few green spaces which are remaining, especially those existing between or behind buildings forming a frame or backdrop, are what characterise the whole parish. Cookham is a very special place and needs to be protected and treated as such if it is to remain so.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Pongo on July 12, 2011, 04:33:18 PM
I think it has been mentioned before that the population for Cookham has increased from 4,500 to 6,500 in the last fifteen years, while the infra structure has remained much the same. I am very happy to have affordable housing on broiwn field sites, as we did in Whyteladyes Lane, but we really do need to stop the population growth if we want to keep our village environment.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Eagle on July 12, 2011, 05:36:46 PM
Well it looks like the doctors will be busy with people requiring sterilisation surgery according to these replies!  ;D

Maybe it's time that housing in any given particular area was reserved for locals first, job relocation second, imports last! ;)


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Gazzetta on July 13, 2011, 09:08:33 AM
The UK population is growing at a rate of almost 1%, a year and this is largely in England.  The projection growth is over 9 million people between 2008 and 2033. The fact is we are all living longer and children will rarely inherite their parents homes untill they are close to their own retirement age, and not when they want to join the housing ladder.

The objections to some affordable housing is simply a case of snobbery and 'the I'm all right Jack attitude'.  You cannot make comparisons between Cookham and Maidenhead until the extent of the proposed development is announced.  Is the council thinking about 1 house, 10 houses or several hundred ?



Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Paris on July 13, 2011, 02:49:04 PM
Bob and Pongo - thank you for your comments.  I'm very glad to hear that there are other people in the Cookhams who feel as I do.  We are already suffering - as has been pointed out already - from infrastructure that cannot cope - remember the blocked and overflowing sewer outside Countrystore a few weeks ago, and outside Elizabeth House (more than one occasion), car parks that cannot hold the amount of cars that want to park there, the list goes on . . .

We must preserve the village for what it is.  Too many houses, cars, people even will turn it from a lovely place to be with space into an overcrowded, struggling small town and then no-one will want to come here.  Think of how the pubs, shops and restaurants will suffer, and are already suffering, because passing trade goes elsewhere (and come to think of it so does some local trade) because there is nowhere to park.  Also, how dangerous our smaller lanes will become with even more traffic 'rat running' to the bigger towns and stations as all the new people make their daily commutes.

Gazetta - I understand your comments, and yes it would be nice if every child ever brought up in the Cookhams could have a house there, but if they did can you imagine how many houses would be needed?  The very reasons that you want to stay here would be completely negated by all the houses!  And we'd probably need a hospital rather than a GP surgery.

As to whoever it was that questioned my 'garden grabbing' comment - my source (not to be revealed) was someone who has actually been approached and asked if they would be interested having part of their garden 'grabbed'.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: kingfisher on July 13, 2011, 06:26:08 PM


As to whoever it was that questioned my 'garden grabbing' comment - my source (not to be revealed) was someone who has actually been approached and asked if they would be interested having part of their garden 'grabbed'.

If your source (who shall not be revealed), was asked for part of their garden,, it wasn't for the sake of the elderly people of PH.....

Only 5/6 residents remain in Payton House,, all of whom are waiting for more sheltered accommodation to become available...


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Pongo on July 13, 2011, 06:54:15 PM
I thought Cookham's garden grabber supremo was Mr Shanly.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: monty on July 13, 2011, 07:52:18 PM
As someone who was born in Cookham and lived here all my life and am horrified at the amount of traffic. The cars parked with children being delivered to the Nursery School is a nightmare between 9.00 and 9.30. The station hill car park is like a free for all and I am very surprised that there are not more bumps and scrapes there. If there were more houses |I dread to think how this is all going to work out. :o


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Showem on July 13, 2011, 08:16:10 PM
Too many houses, cars, people even will turn it from a lovely place to be with space into an overcrowded, struggling small town and then no-one will want to come here.  Think of how the pubs, shops and restaurants will suffer, and are already suffering, because passing trade goes elsewhere (and come to think of it so does some local trade) because there is nowhere to park. 
Most of your complaints seem to be related more to parking than anything else. Perhaps rather than a 1 child per family policy, we should have a 1 car per family policy?

Most of the cars that park at the parade are from people who live within walking distance of it.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: James Hatch on July 13, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
1 Child per family is a Chinese policy. 1 Car per family is an Island of Bermuda policy, but you can have more than one scooter in the family.

The one child per family will not suit a lot of new immigrants to Britain as their belief the more children the stronger the family.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Showem on July 14, 2011, 02:30:54 PM
We know your thoughts on immigrants James (http://www.cookham.com/forum/index.php?topic=838.0) but perhaps as an immigrant yourself, you had best keep your mouth shut and your fingers bound for once!


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: cookhamjames on July 14, 2011, 04:57:48 PM
that was one of the best JH idiotic posts ever. It still makes me laugh how his verbal diarrhoea stops him actually thinking before posting. I'd love to meet him, I wonder if he speaks with the same tone?


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: kingfisher on July 14, 2011, 06:35:28 PM
that was one of the best JH idiotic posts ever. It still makes me laugh how his verbal diarrhoea stops him actually thinking before posting. I'd love to meet him, I wonder if he speaks with the same tone?

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Paris on July 15, 2011, 11:25:19 AM
Showem, I was using the parking as an example of how the infrastructure we already have is struggling to cope with the current level of usage - more houses generally = more cars = more of a problem.  I could also cite the congested roads, especially at school drop off and pick up times, or the overflowing sewers (think I may have already mentioned those), and also as someone else has already said, the difficulty in getting GP appointments, the fact that we are already supporting two dentist practices, the list once you get started goes on and on . . .

As to the garden grabbing I think the general idea was to get more land around PH so that when it is demolished there is plenty of room to build bungalows for the elderly.

Even more worrying than the garden grabbing though, to me at any rate, is the idea of approaching farmers and landowners to ask them for land - we shouldn't be taking away farmland and greenbelt.  If we do genuinely (sorry Gazetta) need affordable housing; even the survey seems a bit 'skewed' as someon put it (don't shoot me Gazetta that's what the article says) then we should be redeveloping areas that have been previously used.  We shouldn't be allowing developers to get their hands on a big house and making it even bigger and even more expensive to buy; they should be made to retain the character of the property and sub-divide it internally into apartments or flats and make them affordable.  And, if need be place a restriction in the deeds so that only 1 car is permitted per household thereby not increasing the load on the villages' roads etc in too much of hurry.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: James Hatch on July 27, 2011, 01:23:56 AM
For once Paris has got it right. As for Showem and for others and their mundane remarks, for goodness sake grow up!


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Simes on July 27, 2011, 09:09:56 AM
... As for Showem and for others and their mundane remarks, for goodness sake grow up!
Pot....kettle!


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Kiki1 on July 27, 2011, 11:31:47 AM
We shouldn't be allowing developers to get their hands on a big house and making it even bigger and even more expensive to buy; they should be made to retain the character of the property and sub-divide it internally into apartments or flats and make them affordable.

There are problems with your suggestion.
Living together in a property that was not originally designed for isolation between households means both parties are subject to unintentional noise. There are very few ways of suppressing it.

If a large estate does come up for sale, construction of a separate annex within the grounds would be my preferred option, sufficiently close to the main building to minimise the utility work and pathways required.

 


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Jo Jo on July 27, 2011, 11:51:08 AM
There was something on the radio yesterday about UK having many fewer self builds than anywhere else in Europe. I did think of the idea once and discovered it was a bureaucrtic nightmare which put me off. Apparently it is now being suggested this should be encouraged. One place had some land and twenty people bought into it to build the home they wanted. I thought it was rather a nice idea and would make a change from the Shanly look alikes.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Gazzetta on July 27, 2011, 12:00:09 PM
Thats a terrible idea.  I assembled a garden shed once and it wouldnt have looked out of place in Pisa.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Paris on July 27, 2011, 02:34:11 PM
Kiki1 there are quite a few modern building methods which if applied properly can aid with noise reduction.  Besides which as someone who once lived in a flat that was built in the 60's, believe me unless you get a complete yob for a neighbour noise often isn't a problem.

But that's not the issue here - the issue is potentially using the beautiful countryside in and around the Cookhams to build affordable housing based on a survey that has already has doubt cast upon the usefulness of its findings.  Sadly there always has to be a trade off and in the instance of sub-dividing a large house that would be having a place in Cookham that you can afford to buy or having to live somewhere else.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Canada Old Bill on August 08, 2011, 10:52:48 PM
  I grew up in Cookham and lived there until 2005 when I got the opportunity to move 'across the pond', I try and get back at least once a year.... Of my three children one stills lives in Cookham but he has to rent even thought he has an excellent job because he can't afford to buy for all the normal reasons.
Of course there is a need for affordable housing, not exactly sure what this really means, who or what defines 'affordable'.
Its all well and good to keep going on about affordable housing but where are you going to get the land from, are we going to see houses on cockmarsh, or some of the large houses in the Dean going to sell off some of their land...I think not!!!
What I see when I come back is a Village full to the brim with parking problems, services unable to cope and as for the problems around the station / nursery school words fail me. There’s a field next to the nursery school that has sat unused for many years, maybe the Council should buy it and turn that into a parking lot.
Maybe, the developers should be made to add to the Village infrastructure  as they build more and newer houses
One thing is for sure one of these fine days Cookham Rise is just going to sink due to the overloaded number of houses, cars and people.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Showem on August 09, 2011, 10:56:25 AM
I don't think turning a field into a parking lot is an answer. One, it would sit empty more than half the time (as it's usually only at school start and finish that things are truly busy) and two, it would just lead to more urban sprawl, one of the scourges of Canada.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: James Hatch on August 09, 2011, 11:23:52 AM
But then Showem we have room to do it in Canada, Cookham does not! Also we still have our lakes and summer cottages. Plus our total population is no more than that of greater London today.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Bertie on August 09, 2011, 12:39:21 PM
Canada does have room, but only at the expense of the flora and fauna that has to disappear forever under concrete whenever the population rises. When smaller countries (in terms of area) eventually become full, other countries with vast expanses of wilderness will be looked upon to create new cities to accommodate man's thirst for continuous growth and longevity.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Showem on August 09, 2011, 01:41:10 PM
Having room isn't a sound policy for urban sprawl. That's like saying "we can keep the lights on because we have lots of energy". All these things change...


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Roger on August 09, 2011, 03:17:57 PM
James when you say "Plus our total population is no more than that of greater London today." I think you may have got your statistics a bid muddled. Canada's population is nearly 40 million. Greater London is not even 8 million.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Bob on August 09, 2011, 04:08:47 PM
Quote
There’s a field next to the nursery school that has sat unused for many years, maybe the Council should buy it and turn that into a parking lot
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I agree with other points you make about overloading Cookham, Canada Bill, but why should this field in particular be referred to as 'sat unused'? That could apply to nearly all the green fields in Cookham. Does it imply that all available green spaces should be used for something? Can they not just be enjoyed, unspoiled?

This field, full of natural wildlife, is a small but very welcome piece of green space within a very long line of building between Bradcutts Lane and The Moor. As has often been said, it is also the first view of Cookham that people see from the Maidenhead Road when they arrive here and many of us pass it every day. This green space characterises the whole area and makes a very pleasant break between the ugly station sprawl and The Pound. But, in particular, it appropriately frames the west end of Cookham Village Conservation Area where it begins at The Pound, and gives the old part of Cookham an essential sense of separateness from the new.

We visually take so much around us for granted, and it is often only after urbanising development has taken place that people begin to realise that a view and its character has changed and we will never get it back. As a village, there is little hope indeed for Cookham if every visible bit of our green spaces between buildings, particularly in the long run between the Dean and Moor, has to be grabbed and developed regardless of the aesthetics. After 60 years or so of developers spoiling that whole length of road with far too much housing squeezed into every possible space, this is the only small, natural field which has survived as so much of Cookham used to look.

If everyone here could become aware of even the small changes in detail which increase urbanisation, as well as the bigger ones like covering a precious green space with a car park, we might have some chance of conserving our village (all three parts of it) so that the Cookham we now see can retain its present charm and be enjoyed by residents and visitors for posterity. But to do this, we now have to stop allowing any further building development in Cookham, as it has gone too far. Only insistence from the residents will encourage the planning authorities to listen.




Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Canada Old Bill on August 09, 2011, 07:13:47 PM
 There's nothing like a lively discussion....the field in question was for many years 'home' to the Cookham riding school and for the past 10years (maybe) has sat neglected and overgrown, it would indeed be nice to keep it as is, but, how much longer are the residents of Cookham Rise going to have to put up with the mayhem in this area, as a matter of interest I wonder how many of the people using the Station / Nursery school are actually residents of Cookham?
 I suppose I am lucky that I live in a affluent part of Ontario, but like Cookham we also have our problems with City growth, as does James in the Vancouver area
 The Parish Councillors who represent the Cookham's do their best but are overruled many times by higher Government authorities as to new 'housing' going up, without the infrastructure growing to support the changes.
 There isn't many places left in the Village for new development, the building yard on Lower road...gone, Water works site on Whyteladyes lane.....gone, Building yard on Haldore Hill...gone.
 I believe in 'Affordable housing' but at what cost, isn't it about time that the Cookham's put up the sign 'Village Full'.
Cookham will always be 'home' to me but its a terrible shame to see what is happening there


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Archimedes on August 09, 2011, 07:21:54 PM
It seems that Cookham has in fact got quite a reasonable amount of affordable housing, however due to council allocation systems it means that someone who does not know Cookham could be given a place here while someone from Cookham could be given somewhere at the other end of the borough. Cookham housing is open to everyone in the borough, there is no special deals for people brought up in Cookham.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: James Hatch on August 09, 2011, 07:29:16 PM
The thing is that more use should be made of what is known as brown sites, which deveolpers seem to ignore because it would cost them and they would lose on their profit margin.

Oh yes! Greater London may have an official count of 8 million, but there are more than that which have slipped through the net and growing every day by all accounts.

In Vancouver Old Bill, they are knocking down old buildings to replace with new construction. Even in Esquimalt, which is part of Victoria they are demollishing the old Town Hall at last to make way for a new building. Yes we do recycle old sites. At least here they did start out with wider streets and roads, a luxuary that Cookham does not have.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Paris on August 10, 2011, 01:16:15 PM
Canada Old Bill - I was really glad to see that you brought up the subject of Cookham Riding School.  The last use of that field was by Cookham Riding Club, which folded as a result of the landowner, at the time of the Poundfield housing business, deciding that she felt it was too risky for horses and riders to gather at the field owing to the amount of traffic around that bit of the village.  Take from that what you will.  The main reason that many riders in Cookham belonged to the CRC was because of that field, there was an area at the back for schooling by yourself, or to have a lesson with a freelance instructor;there was also an excellent set of showjumps which the council (I don't know which one) donated some money towards; and it was a great place for the club to hold mounted get-togethers and small fun competitions.  It is such a shame to know see it empty and unloved especially as there are so many riders in Cookham who would probably still be getting use out of it, and the CRC may even still exist, if that decision hadn't been taken. 

I also agree that the field should remain green as a demarcation point between elements of Cookham.  By now it probably has some really interesting wildlife, if not the big stuff then bugs, beetles and butterflies.  Perhaps it could be turned into a wildlife zone, perhaps with a small pond and a picnic area - anything apart from concreting or tarmacing it over or building houses on it and losing it forever.


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: Roger on August 10, 2011, 06:36:07 PM
James even if London is over 8 million (which it is not) it is nowhere near Canada's population of 40 million, your statement being "Plus our total population is no more than that of greater London today."

Amazingly enough developers in this country do use brown sites. There is a development called HATCH Place in Cookham which was brown field. Although I personally disagree with the way the development is continuing.

Cookham can hardly be compared to Vancouver in the width of the roads.

Why am I starting to feel that I have entered a parallel universe?


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: cookhamjames on August 10, 2011, 07:14:06 PM
Stop now Roger. He'll drive you round the bend with bizzare comments and non-facts. (mind you he is very old)


Title: Re: Affordable Housing
Post by: James Hatch on August 10, 2011, 08:09:26 PM
I would hardly call an old builders yard a brown site Roger. Mind you I have been discussing recently the problem of subsidence in the Cookham area. Some do not realise the hydraulic power of water in the sub strata. Water by the way that is constantly on the move.