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Title: River Level
Post by: Jabber on December 25, 2013, 12:08:00 AM
Does anyone know where I can find the river level at Marlow and Cookham Lock?

River is getting high and it would be good to know the levels!

Merry Christmas!



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: kingfisher on December 25, 2013, 05:28:59 AM
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7162


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cervantes on December 26, 2013, 12:12:03 PM
Very useful link. Still rising. Does anyone know how long it normally takes to clear as the during last years flooding the river continued to rise for nearly 4 days after the rains stopped. Is this fairly standard?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: kingfisher on December 26, 2013, 04:14:50 PM
When i first put the link up, the river was at 0.34, it's now at 0.73 and still rising..
More wind and rain forecast for tonight and tomorrow..


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on December 26, 2013, 06:43:42 PM
The River at Cookham Lock has risen to 74cm.  The latest advice from the Environment Agency is that we should expect it to continue to rise:

"The river and flooding forecast is as follows: River levels are still rising on the River Thames and will continue to do so for at least 24 hours. Flooding of roads and low lying land is expected. The weather forecast is to expect outbreaks of rain tonight and through tomorrow morning. This should clear to leave a drier afternoon. 16:28 on 26 Dec 2013"

For updates to the river and flooding forecast go to http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/34681.aspx?area=061WAF23Hurley&page=1&type=Town&term=cookham

Last winter the Moor Road flooded when the river level rose to 100cm.  We're getting quite close to that level, so if you want to drive through Cookham Village tomorrow it's worth keeping a close eye.

Cllr Fiona Hewer
Cookham Parish Council Flood Committee


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on December 27, 2013, 06:12:28 PM
Latest from the EA is that the river is rising more slowly now.   It's 79cm high at Cookham Lock. I noticed this afternoon that the grounds of Longridge, and the fields opposite it are flooded.

"The river and flooding forecast is as follows: River levels are still slowly rising in places on the River Thames but the rate of rise has now slowed down substantially. However, flooding of roads and low lying land is still possible. The weather prospects are mainly dry throughout the day with the possibility of the odd shower.

    16:11 on 27 Dec 2013"


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on December 29, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
The Environment Agency Flood Alert remains in force.  The River is falling slowly, but is still high, at 68cm this Sunday evening. 


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 02, 2014, 04:57:07 PM
The River had fallen to just above what the EA refer to as 'typical levels' (up to 43 cm upstream of Cookham Lock), but is now starting to rise again, slowly.  At 4pm today (Thursday) it was 51cm.  Cookham is still the subject of an EA flood alert.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Birdman on January 03, 2014, 08:12:17 PM
The Jubilee River (AKA The Flood Alleviation Scheme!) is running near to full capacity today with all the islands at Dorney Wetland pretty much submerged. I doubt it could take more than a few additional cm if the Thames continued to rise, so watch out everybody!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 04, 2014, 01:47:54 PM
The River peaked at over 80cm on 27th December, and is now 76cm and rising. It looks like it will reach a new high soon.   Kingfisher's link has the latest value. 


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on January 04, 2014, 03:26:44 PM
At the current rate at which the river is rising  (2 cm in 4 hours - and the graph seems to be linear at the moment), it will take another 48 hours (15:00 Monday afternoon) to reach the 100cm level of January, 2013.

Drizzle at the moment and the Met Office forecast is showing no heavy rainfall before Sunday afternoon in the areas between Oxford and Maidenhead.  So, I suspect we are safe from major road flooding, at least over the next day or so.  But ..............!!

Environment Agency:
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=716 (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=716)2

Met Office:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/oxford_forecast_weather.html
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/maidenhead_forecast_weather.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/oxford_forecast_weather.html
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/maidenhead_forecast_weather.html)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on January 05, 2014, 04:09:29 PM
River level now at 85cm (15:00 Sunday).  

Parts of the riverside pathway at Bellrope Meadow are now flooded (nr. path walking back into Holy Trinity Church Graveyard) and also in front of the sailing club.  The river is flowing very fast.

Met Office forecasts for yesterday evening were TOTALLY WRONG for Cookham (it rained despite dry evening forecast).

So we are now 15cm (or 6" in real money) away from Armageddon!  I think we should be safe in our beds tonight - BUT beyond  tomorrow ....?

Sorry about the truncated WEB addresses in the last post.  They should now read

Environment Agency:
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7162 (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7162)

Met Office:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/maidenhead_forecast_weather.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/maidenhead_forecast_weather.html)

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/oxford_forecast_weather.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/oxford_forecast_weather.html)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on January 06, 2014, 08:18:45 AM
The river level at Cookham Lock is now (7:00 am - Monday)  @ 98cms - a rise of 13cms since 3pm yesterday.  At this rate (and the EA graph shows the rise to be pretty linear) it will hit the 100cm mark mid morning today. 

I don't know if the EA can do some further magic with river control using the locks but It now looks as though some flooding is now inevitable (see Fiona Hewer's post 26th December)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 06, 2014, 08:32:22 AM
The latest from the EA for Hurley to Cookham....
"The river and flooding forecast is as follows: Levels on the River Thames remain high and are rising slowly in response  to the recent rainfall. Further flooding of low lying areas is expected. No property flooding is currently expected. The weather forecast is to expect a mainly dry evening with more potentially heavy rain expected tomorrow afternoon.
00:17 on 05 Jan 2014"


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 06, 2014, 09:52:28 AM
Taken from the EA this morning, 100 normally means  flooding is likely to occur.

"The river level at Cookham Lock is 0.99 metres.
This measurement was recorded at 09:00 on 06/01/2014.
The typical river level range for this location is between 0.00 metres and 0.43 metres."


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Ouch on January 06, 2014, 11:39:36 AM
Starting to flood on the moor road now. Passable at the moment, but guess it may get deeper as the day goes on.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 06, 2014, 11:55:41 AM
There is water flowing across the Moor Road but it was passable with care at 1030.

Update from Cookham's flood warden this morning
"the river is now on the tow path in parts by Cookham Bridge, on the Cookham side.It also looks as if it is beginning to breach on the Bucks side"

In Bourne End, and upstream in Bisham and Little Marlow, the EA has escalated the flood state from Alert to Warning because they expect some property flooding in those areas.

Cllr Fiona Hewer
Tweeting @CllrFionaHewer



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 06, 2014, 12:03:22 PM
RBWM has just informed the Parish Council that it seems probable that the Moor Road will be closed by the Police due to flooding. The closure could be implemented within the next 24 hours.

Community Wardens will give access to the Causeway to Emergency Vehicles and any other vehicle responding to a genuine emergency.  Diversion signs will be displayed as soon as possible.

Cllr Fiona Hewer


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: The Baglady on January 06, 2014, 12:25:40 PM
Larger cars are going through but have just turned around as I wouldn't have trusted my lower coupe to get through. Be careful all !


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: smokey1 on January 06, 2014, 01:03:31 PM
From past experience, notification about the closure of the moor should be place near Maidenhead. Many a time people have arrived at The Pound only to have to turn around again when their journey could have been diverted earlier.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 06, 2014, 02:21:48 PM
Understand that the road is now closed.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 06, 2014, 03:03:41 PM
Yes, the Moor Road has been closed by the police.  It is an offence to drive through a closed road and doing so invalidates insurance.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Rich on January 06, 2014, 03:15:03 PM
What about cycling


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 06, 2014, 03:19:25 PM
The Moor Road is closed to all traffic, but cyclists and pedestrians can use the Causeway.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 06, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
River at Cookham Lock (upstream gauge) 1.05m and rising. 

The Environment Agency 3-day forecasts predicts an increasing flood risk for the Windsor and Maidenhead for tomorrow and Wednesday.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/3days/125305.aspx

Cllr Fiona Hewer


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: anon on January 06, 2014, 03:57:31 PM
Does anyone know the maximum height the river attained in 2003? Before then I'd imagine comparisons are pointless as such times precede the flood defence works (including the Jubilee River).


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 06, 2014, 04:03:33 PM
Back to 2000 would be useful to know - the water reached the residences in Strande Lane that year and all the stables had to be evacuated.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: windymiller on January 06, 2014, 04:16:20 PM
Hi Fiona,

It looks like your prediction of flooding on the Moor at a level of 100cm was pretty spot on, then.  Do you know at what level the roads to Bourne End and Maidenhead are likely to become impassable?  I seem to recall that the Bourne End road floods not too long after the Moor road?  But I'm hoping that it takes a lot more for the Maidenhead road to flood too? (fingers crossed)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: school-laner on January 06, 2014, 04:47:45 PM
Fiona,

Who makes the decision to flood Cookham and further up to protect Maidenhead?

You will note as the EA website that Cookham is flooding - as above;

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7162

But the lock downstream from Cookham is far from it;

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?StationId=7162&Sensor=D&RegionId=0&AreaId=0&CatchmentId=0

Many thanks


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on January 06, 2014, 04:58:24 PM
(a) River still rising (Currently at 108cms - 16:00hrs).  Although the road across the Moor is "Closed", some vehicles are chancing their luck.  The 37 bus from Maidenhead has just passed through OK.

(b) There are Community Wardens at both ends of The Causeway (one vehicle at the East end and two at the West end) but they don't seem to be imposing the closure very strictly.  I don't remember getting so much attention in the old days when The Causeway was opened to limited two-way alternate traffic.

(c) I notice that one of the gateposts (at the West end of The Causeway) seems to have been removed (intentionally??) and the gate is being propped up by orange barriers.

(d) The new-build development on the Bourne End bank beside the bridge (formerly Tudor Lea) is well and truly flooded.  I hope "Frank" got a "Risk Assessment” before going ahead!
 



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 06, 2014, 05:02:00 PM
Are we becoming victims of the EA making it look to the good people of Maidenhead as though their flood defences are working? 


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 06, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
Hello windymiller, My recollection from last winter is that the Bourne End Road floods quite soon after the Moor Road, but the Maidenhead Road over Widbrook Common takes longer - it did not flood last winter.  I'm sorry I don't have the river levels for that.  

Hello anon, The maximum height listed on the EA web site is 1.46m, but they don't give a date (aaahh!)

Hello school-laner, The Environment Agency control the operation of all the weirs along the river as well as the Jubilee river flood alleviation channel.  The 100cm figure is based on the gauge situated upstream of Cookham Lock.  The downstream gauge is also showing the river well above its typical range.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 06, 2014, 05:25:29 PM
It is only going to get worse before it get's better. Rain falling up river [Oxford way] will take 24 to 48 hours to reach the Henley - Marlow - Maidenhead area. I went passed the block of flats a few hours ago on the River road in Maidenhead opposite what used to be the Chef Peking [ great in it's day], the river was lapping the edges of the bank so not long before it breaches there. Then the flats underground car park becomes a swimming pool!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: school-laner on January 06, 2014, 06:15:35 PM
Hi Fiona,

Yes, Maidenhead is higher than normal but not flooding like Cookham, Bourne End etc. The cynic in me suggests there is more than good business management at play here. Are you sure the RBWM Council isn't involved in any policy decisions as it relates to "river management"? I can't believe the EA have a vested interest in saving location A vs B.

FYI - this time last year the situation was the same!!

Regards


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Showem on January 06, 2014, 06:36:47 PM
The moor area doesn't just flood from the river, it actually comes up (or rather, doesn't go down any more) from the ground. The ground water level is so shallow under the surface there, I don't really think much river management would make a difference. I'm no expert, just a general observation. 


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: smokey1 on January 06, 2014, 06:45:15 PM
Is the river kept back in Cookham by not opening the weir as much to prevent flooding in Datchet and Wraysbury. Also there is a built up bung in the fields between Maidenhead and Cookham preventing the water rushing through and therefore staying back towards Cookham. Have I got this right, maybe someone will correct me.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: school-laner on January 06, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
Yes it is excess water in the soil as opposed to "surface" water - but only because someone's decided to keep the weir closed to let the water over the river banks in Cookham to protect Maidenhead - I want to know who makes this decision. Cookham and co. flooding isn't an act of God but rather a conscious decision by someone.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Showem on January 06, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
What's the other option? Cookham fields aren't flooded, but Maidenhead homes are?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 06, 2014, 10:13:29 PM
River level at Cookham lock has risen to 1.11cm (upstream).  

Moor Road remains closed. Pedestrians and cyclists can use the Causeway.  Emergency vehicles will have access to the Causeway.

A4094 north of Cookham Bridge (Bourne End side) is open but flooding.  A4094 south to Maidenhead is open.  

Last time the Moor Road flooded, even after the river level started falling, it took 3-4 days for the road to open, so we should expect the Moor Road to be closed for a while.  

The latest EA river and flooding forecast is as follows: The river levels on the River Thames are very high and are continuing to rise slowly. There is a flood warning in force to cover part of this area. The weather prospects are to expect showers to spread across the area this evening some of these will be heavy. More heavy showers are expected overnight and through Tuesday. (20:31 on 06 Jan 2014)

Cookham remains at Flood Alert. Bourne End and Bisham to Little Marlow are at a higher level  - Flood Warning - because property flooding is expected.  The 3-day EA flood risk forecast is for flood risk in Windsor and Maidenhead to increase on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Updates and further information are available from:
BBC Radio Berkshire
EA Floodline 0845 988 1188
Twitter @CllrFionaHewer

RBWM road closures: http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/   home page
Cookham river levels: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7162
EA flood warnings: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/34678.aspx?page=1&type=Town&term=cookham
EA 3-day forecast (Thames) http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/3days/125305.aspx

Cllr Fiona Hewer


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: school-laner on January 07, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
Showem,

It's more than Cookham isn't it? What about Bourne End and Marlow.



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Jabber on January 07, 2014, 11:26:30 AM
To try to answer Paris and anon, I have a picture of my neighbours garden taken in 2003 and it shows their picnic table with the water level about 1 inch below the table top (a picnic table like you get in a pub garden).  We have around 6 inches of water in that location now, so I would say that it was roughly 23 inches deeper in 2003.  This is on Spade Oak Reach.

A good picture of 2003 can be found in the middle of this article:
http://cookham.com/cookhamplannew/housinganddevelopment1/7flooding.htm


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 07, 2014, 04:14:27 PM
The management of the flow of the river is down to The Environment Agency [EA], not the RBWM. The EA will look at all possible scenarios to minimise flood damage to property and possessions. If you look at the demographics of Marlow – Bourne End – Cookham and Maidenhead etc, by far the largest concentration of property that lies within potential flood risk area is Maidenhead. As Showem quite rightly pointed out the current flooding in Cookham has not impacted on property, only fields and roads.

Opening weirs is a red herring, a lot of what is happening along the river banks in our area at the moment is a mixture of the river breaking its banks and more importantly saturation of the water table. In Fifield over the weekend fields were under water and the road running through the village was un-passable, the village is ½ a mile from the river, what occurred was water coming up from below the ground off the water soaked fields.

Suggestions that one area of the local community is favoured over another for publicity reason is really quite naive, it is simply a matter of risk assessment management, you have to weigh up the pros and cons of dealing with how to best handle the situation as it is occurring. This unfortunately means someone somewhere will come of second best.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: emma5781 on January 07, 2014, 05:27:19 PM
Great information on this thread, was going to say if people around the flood area needs shopping I will be willing to help out.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Friar Tuck on January 07, 2014, 06:45:18 PM
I find it very strange that residents of a riverside village are surprised that when it rains the river floods – that is how nature works.
The vast majority of the Cookham village sits on or is surrounded by either river or flood plain.  When people then build houses on the flood plain stopping the rivers natural flow it will only cause the levels to rise further.  The RBWM and the local councils have allowed the building on flood plain in Maidenhead from Boulters lock over to North town moor and then down to Bray, through which strand water try’s to flow, whilst in Cookham, Moor Hall has built additional buildings and raised ground for car parks restricting the flow through the narrow Strand water area. 
In addition to this, the silting up of Lulle brook and the failure to maintain Odney common stream also reduce the flow.  Odney common stream used to have enough water in it for the Ladies pool half way down the common.
I would even say that the flood defences installed around the village reduce the flow further and increase the height of the water trying to find its way down the valley.
Showem is correct in his/her statement about the water coming up through the ground as moor meadow is sat on sand and the river will permeate through this – that is why there is always a flow, even only small, through the fleet all year round.
If you look at the levels of previous floods from 1894, 1904, 1940, 1947, 1963 – all of these came up the high street in the village, making the “puddle” of today just a minor inconvenience.  In the days of these floods the lock keepers had limited communication and had to “read” the river to judge how many sluices to run.  It must also be remembered that the lock and weirs have only been in place since 1830 and prior to that there was no control of the river. It was in the 80’s that the new larger weir was built on the Odney side of the lock which was about 30% larger than the old weir, thus allowing even more flow – look at how many of its gates are open in the morning. In the 70’s there was dredging of the main Cliveden reach which also increased the volume of water able to pass though this narrow reach.
This is the problem of buying a picture post card house in a quaint village – my relatives are buried in the church yard on top of the hill where they can keep their feet dry.  Maybe you could ask the council to build a flood channel at the back of your garden, or would that effect the price of your house too much?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Gazzetta on January 07, 2014, 07:39:59 PM
Wow. I'm not sure whether that was a history lesson or a critique for wanting to live in Cookham. Has James Hatch been reborn like a Dr Who?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 07, 2014, 07:52:09 PM
Well for a first posting I thought it hit the nail on the head. If you buy a house next to a church and after moving in you start to complain about the church bells, tough luck. The same goes for moving into a house next to a pub and then complain about the noise when people leave at night having enjoyed themselves. Ditto  - you have a house near a river in a well known historically documented flood plain area don’t be surprised when it flood’s!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Bagheera on January 08, 2014, 12:29:51 AM
I suppose we could rewrite the parable.

The wise man built his house on the hill.

The foolish man built his house on the flood plain.

The storms came and the wise man kept dry but the foolish man's house was flooded.

So the foolish man got the Environment Agency to build an elaborate flood defence scheme..

And the Environment Agency, which was a servant of the monarch, taxed the wise man to pay for it.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Eagle on January 08, 2014, 08:05:19 AM
Widbrook Common closed.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Bagheera on January 08, 2014, 08:40:31 AM
I note that the Crier says that if you drive on a road closed by th e Police you invalidate your insurance.

I am going to ask where they have obtained that information because an insurance policy is a private contract between the insurer and the insured so it would depend on the terms of the policy.

In addition, there is legislation (one of the Road Traffic Acts, I think) that prevents an insurer from refusing a third party claim in these circumstances.

So I think the statement is a bit of an urban myth.

That said, I think it would be unwise to attempt to drive through and in any case it does not get round the fact that the road is closed.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 08, 2014, 09:31:26 AM
All 3 roads into Cookham Village are now officially closed due to flooding, i.e. the Moor (with emergency access via Causeway), A4094 Sutton Road, and the approach to the bridge from Bourne End.
Additional RBWM wardens have been posted and are walking around the village to provide assistance where necessary. River up to 117cm at Cookham Lock (upstream).


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Rover on January 08, 2014, 12:40:38 PM
Thanks Fiona for posting and keeping us updated. A couple of comments and questions:

1. If all three roads are closed this means that vehicles parked in the village can not exit the village. There may be people who need to get to work or perform other important (non emergency) functions. How are they supposed to manage?
2. Why was there no notification to householders before all roads closed to enable them to move vehicles outside the village?

I asked the wardens in the village about the situation. They did not know that the road to Bourne end was closed and couldn't answer the above questions.

As the situation is far from clear, I walked up to Cookham bridge and saw that there was a steady stream of traffic still coming over the bridge. Are these vehicles ignoring notices?

I would appreciate some comments and feedback from anyone who has a clearer understanding of the situation.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 08, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
I think that Friar Tuck has misunderstood - we are not moaning because of the flood but because of the apparent use of Cookham (and Bourne End) as a water dumping ground while the Jubilee River it would appear has not been utilised to it's fullest extent and us protected (OK probably marginally) from the worst of this event.

btw - big thanks to Cllr Hewer for her updates.  They are very welcome when you are away at work and trying to keep at least half an eye on what is going on.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 08, 2014, 01:17:57 PM
The road over the bridge to Bourne End is open to traffic as of 1pm today,just been over it.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 08, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
Hello smokey1, school-lanerm showe, and Paris.

I passed some of your questions about control of weirs to protect Cookham on to the Environment Agency and they sent this reply and asked me to post it. If there are any further questions regarding the current flooding, EA recommends that you phone its floodline number: 0845 988 1188 or contact us by e-mail using WTenquiries@environment-agency.gov.uk

FROM THE ENVIRONMETN AGENCY ON 7TH JANUARY
The Jubilee River
Created in July 2002, the Jubilee River is a man-made stretch of flood relief channel designed to reduce risk of flooding from the River Thames to 3200 properties in Maidenhead, Windsor and Eton. The river is part of the Maidenhead, Windsor and Eton Flood Alleviation Scheme (MWEFAS).
Levels in the channel are controlled by five weirs, two of which are variable crest (can be set at varying heights to alter water flow), three are fixed crest weirs (without gates or other control mechanisms).
The Jubilee River is designed to hold a maximum flow of 180m3/s (cubic metre per second). This, along with the River Thames capacity of 250m3/s, results in a total scheme capacity of 430m3/s.

Cookham
Cookham and North Maidenhead Defences work with the MWEFAS to provide protection to Cookham. These are made up of a series of flood walls and embankments to protect these key areas from overland flood flows. The Cookham floodwalls have moveable flood gates and a drainage system which allows water to be pumped from collection sumps
For the MWEFAS to perform effectively, several control structures need to be operated, and various sites are monitored during a flood. The rules and procedures governing the operation and monitoring of the scheme are continuously monitored and updated by our incident and flood forecasting teams. The gate movements are dictated by the current flows and levels and also by our flood forecasting system.

Current situation
Due to recent rainfall and with increased flows in the Thames, the Jubilee River is currently taking flows of approximately 164m3/s and is at gate movement number 9 of 13.
All of the flood gates forming part of the Cookham defences are closed and pumps are in place and operating when required. The situation is being carefully monitored.
Contact us
If there are any questions regarding the current flooding, we would recommend that you phone our floodline number: 0845 988 1188 or contact us by e-mail using WTenquiries@environment-agency.gov.uk


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 08, 2014, 01:46:40 PM
Hello Rover,

I can't answer your questions fully, but here is as much as I know. 

1. If all three roads are closed this means that vehicles parked in the village can not exit the village. There may be people who need to get to work or perform other important (non emergency) functions. How are they supposed to manage?

It will be difficult to manage for many people who are car-dependent.  The current forecast is that water levels will not recede for 3 to 4 days, but this depends on a number of factors not least the level of rain up River.  There is pedestrian access over the Causeway.  Some people have posted offers of help above. It is drivers' responsibility to be aware of flood warnings and plan ahead.

2. Why was there no notification to householders before all roads closed to enable them to move vehicles outside the village?
I don't know why there was no specific notification of Sutton Road closing.  However, there have been warnings of flooding of roads in Hurley to Cookham from EA since 24th December.  The warnings are delivered for free to any email or phone if you register at 0845 988 1188, or call that number any time for an update.  They are also on the EA website at:
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/34681.aspx?area=061WAF23Hurley&page=1&type=Town&term=cookham
We saw last winter that the Moor Road floods when the river rises to 100cm upstream of Cookham Lock, and that if the river keeps rising the Bourne End Road floods next.  Bucks decide whether to close the Bourne End Road.  The Sutton Road didn't flood last winter, but it flooded this time when the river rose to 118cm.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: windymiller on January 08, 2014, 03:18:09 PM
Fiona,

I think that's a little unfair.  Yes, of course it is "drivers' responsibility to be aware of flood warnings and plan ahead".  But, as you yourself have said, Sutton Road doesn't always flood even when the other two roads do, and the river level at which Sutton Road became impassable wasn't previously known (although I guess it is now!).  No-one wants the inconvenience of parking their car a mile away from home unless they absolutely have to, and I don't suppose the residents of Cookham Rise particularly want a large number of extra cars parked there unnecessarily either.  I, for one, would appreciate it if, say, the Causeway could be opened one-way for a time after all three roads become impassable, in order for residents to extract their cars.  This could be on the understanding that no return will be possible until the roads open again.  Might this be a possibility?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 08, 2014, 03:33:11 PM
There doesn't seem to be any possibility of the Causeway opening. The latest from the RBWM who run the Causeway is
-          The causeway is open for pedestrians and emergency vehicles and Community Wardens are manning either end during daylight hours
-          Community Wardens will help facilitate the safe transit of emergency vehicles across the causeway, but private vehicles will not be allowed to cross the causeway unless it is associated with an emergency e.g. getting a woman in labour to hospital.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: windymiller on January 08, 2014, 03:40:05 PM
I wonder, also, whether there might be any residents to the west of the Moor (Terrys Lane, the Pound, Maidenhead Road etc) with a spare parking space which they would be willing to make available to those of us who need to park our cars away from Cookham village for a time?  Perhaps the cookham.com webmasters could set up a local version of parkatmyhouse.com?!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 08, 2014, 04:05:57 PM
Communication seems to be the key point here. I'm not trying to shift or appoint any responsibilities or blame or any other connotation thereof, but it would seem sensible, given the issues that arise during flooding events if perhaps the Parish Council members, Ms Hewer being an excellent example, took it upon themselves to spread the word when road closures and flooding are imminent.  

I'm well aware that they are all busy people, but they are local, have experience of flood events within the Cookhams and may be well placed to help those who may not realise that the time has come to start phoning floodline for updates or watching the EA website by making their presence known in areas where flooding hits first and reminding people what the flood status is and of the meaning of that status.   It is easy to miss a sign (yes I do know where they are - but does everyone?) and if you've not been out or passed one then it would be easy to be taken unawares.

Also, some people don't have access to the web and may not realise that the term 'flood alert' as posted on the signs doesn't mean that there may be a flood, but that it means that flooding of low lying areas and roads is likely and you need to kick your own personal flood plan into effect.  It's no good waiting until the sign says flood warning - that means that flooding of properties is imminent, by which time it may well be too late to start moving things around as roads (as we have seen) could well be closed - severe flood warning is a step up from that to mean that lives are in danger.  

Another thought - is there, or could there be some kind of audible warning?  I know that the old air raid siren used to be sounded when flooding was expected - do people think something like this is still appropriate or could be helpful?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 08, 2014, 04:45:06 PM
As I mentioned earlier, the Bourne End Road the other side of the bridge was still open to traffic at 3 pm today, therefore there was an opportunity to move ones car , not sure if it is still open? Regarding the level of the river, it has been on the rise now for almost 2 weeks with lots of notification so plenty of time to prepare. It is a well document fact that as and when Cookham lock hits the 100mm mark the moor will flood and be closed. 


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 08, 2014, 05:17:05 PM
That's as maybe EUWAVE, but like I said lots of people are new to the area and won't be familiar with what you are talking about and may not, for whatever reason have realised that they needed to take action before roads were closed and the farmland filled up.  Personally I think if you ignore a flood alert then you are a bit of a twit, and I know I've been complaining with the best of them, but regardless of that I took the necessary action as and when required with the desired results.  But the fact remains that there are always people who don't get the warnings or don't understand what they mean and those of us with more experience should help them where we can and if that means communicating better then so be it. 


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on January 08, 2014, 05:31:58 PM
IT IS QUITE SIMPLE.  

When The Moor is flooded and access via Sutton Road and Cookham Bridge is closed - THEN open the causeway to limited alternate 2-way light traffic.   It is just the intransigence of RBWM and poor support from the Parish Council that has denied this access route for villagers.  This used to be an option in previous years (excl. last year) and despite some grumblings, worked well.  Don't fall for the quasi RBWM-"Risk Assessment" nonsense - the bridge over the Fleet is strong enough for light traffic and the Causeway is wide enough.  Nobody fell off the Causeway into the "raging torrents" below(!)..  Do this and all this arguing would evaporate,

We have become unnecessarily bogged down with a load of bureaucratic nonsense.  Cookham is on the Flood Plain - the Village sits alongside the Flood Meadows - we expect intermittent flooding BUT COOKHAM IS NOT BOSCASTLE 2004.  Our floods are totally different.

OPEN THE CAUSEWAY


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 08, 2014, 05:39:01 PM
Or raise the road that was built at a level lower than the causeway!  Those people in olden times weren't daft enough to put a road low enough to flood - that's why they built the causeway sto start with!!!!  Raising the end of the road near the Crown hasn't helped at all - what a waste of money and effort that has proved to be.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Billp on January 08, 2014, 06:11:19 PM
All true.
It is worth pointing out that that the flood at Widbrook Common/Sutton Road is not due to the river at this point but because the culvert which takes the White Brook (Widbrook) under the road is too small and too clogged with rushes to allow the water flowing down it (which increases of course when the river rises due to run-off from elsewhere) to get through. So the Common fills up and floods until the water can get over the road to the fields on the river side of the road which are lower but still dry in terms of not flooding from the river. That is what is happening now. If the culvert were properly dredged and weeded this road would probably not be flooded


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: windymiller on January 08, 2014, 06:31:22 PM
Hi EUWAVE, The Bourne End road may still be officially 'open', but having checked it out (on foot) a little earlier, there's no way I'd drive my little car through it. There was one car stuck in the middle of the water and, given the speed that some of the other vehicles are driving through (causing a huge wash), I can't believe it'll be the last.
And it may be "a well documented fact that as and when Cookham lock hits the 100mm mark the moor will flood and be closed", but no-one *needs* to move their car when the Moor is closed - as long as there is at least one other route open.  As stated earlier, last year Sutton Road never became impassable, even though the Moor was closed.  So the village was never completely cut off.  It is only when the last route is close to flooding (and the correlation between that and the lock level did *not* appear to be well-documented) that people would need to move their cars.  So, we live and learn.  I will certainly act sooner next time the level gets close to 118cm.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: jcleach on January 08, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
May I just check - I can't quite work out whether Sutton Road is closed or not.  Does anyone know for sure?  My Mum needs to escape from the village!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on January 08, 2014, 07:03:54 PM
jcleach - To answer your question, Sutton Road (after passing Sutton Close) is "Closed".  However, at circa 0930 this morning, a green bus (not #37, Arriva) stopped and moved lhs barrier out of the way and proceeded towards Bolters Lock (where I expect he moved a similar barrier).  Thereafter, vehicles were just chancing it in both directions (this is still the case at 18:50).  Apparently, according to the Community Wardens managing Cookham Moor, the closure does not have the legal backing of the police (unlike the road across the Moor) - so nothing further has been doe to close the barrier.

I personally would not risk it, having had my previous car written off due to flood damage in St. Margarets (opp. Richmond).  However, they are still driving through Bourne End and Sutton Road.

One hour ago, we had a knock on the door and a lady asked if she could leave her car outside our house - she had driven from Bourne End across the Bridge - and now her engine was making a worrying knocking noise.  The car is still here and obviously will be some days to come.  I offered to escort her across The Causeway where we got a taxi to pick her up from the White Oak.  There is currently a distressed vehicle parked on Sutton Road and earlier this evening saw a car-transporter rescuing a vehicle.

The bottom line is DON'T RISK IT - even if others seem to be getting through.  The idea of conking out at Widbrook in the dark would really worry me.

Clearly there needs to be much better coordination between "Bucks" and RBWM on these "road closures".



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: jcleach on January 08, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
Thanks Airies, really helpful.  I agree - will crack open sherry for Mum!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: smokey1 on January 08, 2014, 08:55:14 PM
Thank you FeHewer for the information you have been posting. But I do need to let you know of an observation here. If you go onto the environment website and type your Cookham website postcode in, it has not been updated since 24th Dec, and the river Thames at Cookham since 2nd November, that is not what I call keeping you informed.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 09, 2014, 09:42:55 AM
Smokey1 – If you follow the link Kingfisher posted way back when this discussion opened you can enter your post code for an accurate update of the forecast for the area. I note the river is now at 125 and rising.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/31618.aspx



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: localmum on January 09, 2014, 10:50:18 AM
That isn't very helpful!  From the above link:

No warning

Flood status last changed at  12:34 on 02 Nov 2011
Location:

River Thames at Cookham including Cookham Lock, Cookham Village and East Cookham Rise


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 09, 2014, 11:10:22 AM
Thanks for feedback localmum and smokey1. Will pass on at next meeting of Parishes Flood Liaison group with EA for future improvements.

I agree that warning dates are unhelpful. The Flood Alert information is up to date and that is our current status.  Or call 0845 988 1188 for the latest information.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 09, 2014, 11:11:11 AM
localmum - If you actually took the time to study the content of that website you will have seen the following information last updated at 9.30pm yesterday, it also has a map of the areas affected, deep purple in colour. When the river hits 100 it is now 125 all those areas WILL be in some way flooded.

•   River Thames at Bourne End including Spade Oak Reach, Cockmarsh and Riversdale
View map of flood warning area
•   Region:
Southeast
Latest Information:
•   The river and flooding forecast is as follows: The River Thames continues to rise slowly in the Bourne End area. Flooding of properties close to the river is expected. River levels will continue to increase slowly for the next few days, and are higher than those seen in November and December 2012 and will be closer to those of January 2003. The weather prospects are: for further rain this evening before a mostly dry day tomorrow.
21:34 on 08 Jan 2014


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on January 09, 2014, 11:37:51 AM
There may be some good news at last!

The Met Office site indicated reasonable weather between now and Monday - Sunny periods and only occasional light rain.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/maidenhead-windsor-and-maidenhead#?tab=fiveDay&fcTime=1389571200 (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/maidenhead-windsor-and-maidenhead#?tab=fiveDay&fcTime=1389571200)

But I note the river level is up another 2cms already since breakfast (127cm at 1100).  This coincidentally with a totally different perspective of the Jubilee River which shows a DRAMATIC FALL over the last 24+ hours.  It does now look as though the flow through the Cliveden start of the Jubilee may have been at least partially closed ("to help the situation further downstream" ?) creating an additional rise in the Thames levels upstream (e.g. Cookham). 

Take a look at the Taplow Jubilee Levels:

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7164 (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7164)



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: localmum on January 09, 2014, 11:40:32 AM
My, that was patronising, hope you enjoyed typing it EUWAVE!

I went to the link you entered, put in my postcode in the postcode search box, and that is what came back.  I tried clicking on a few things then cam back to this thread for the link on the first page which takes you to the river level at Cookham Lock.  Still not sure how to navigate that website to find warnings and alerts if they don't come up as relevent when you enter your postcode. I gave it a couple of minutes of clicking around, then abandoned it as not helpful.

Mind you, I've got eyes in my head and can see it has rained a lot in the last few weeks and that the river is rising - doesn't take a genius to work out what would happen next.  Am a bit baffled by the complaints that there haven't been any warnings - do people not watch the weather forecasts, or look outside ever?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: windymiller on January 09, 2014, 11:57:22 AM
EUWAVE, I think the EA website might be a little flaky at the moment (perhaps suffering from unusually high usage). When I first used your above link, and entered my postcode, it just took me to (or rather, I now see, left me at) a table of "Number of Flood Warnings in Force by Region", which is not overly helpful. Having retried just now, it takes me to the page you are describing. So localmum's confusion was perfectly understandable.
Also, the flood warning shown is for "River Thames from Hurley to Cookham". Immediately beneath it is a link for "River Thames at Cookham" ("including Cookham Lock, Cookham Village and East Cookham Rise"), which I might expect to be even more relevant to my location. Yet that link tells me that there is NO warning in place here. So I would have to agree with localmum that the site is far from clear!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: smokey1 on January 09, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
Localmum.  That is exactly what I got. I originally did the postcode out of curiosity, but now on a more serious tone, it should have been updated from Nov and Dec. I know we are both aware of what is happening, but some people would like more information. The water is just creeping into our garden now, but we are a few feet away from actually thinking that we might have to move things, unlike some, who I do feel for them.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 09, 2014, 12:06:42 PM
Yep the EA website is not the easiest to navigate, and I too have seen the 'no warning' in place for Cookham, what it doesn't make clear is that while a warning is not in place for Cookham it is part of a wider area - Hurley to Cookham that has been issued with a flood alert.  If you were relying on the website for info you could be very confused.

The latest info I got, bit from using my eyes and from calling Floodline is that the levels are still rising and are expected to carry on doing so. 


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 09, 2014, 01:25:15 PM
Controlled opening of the Causeway for local residents to move their cars out of Cookham Village 3-4pm and 9-10am.

More details on new RBWM flood update page http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/web/news_flood_update.htm


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 09, 2014, 01:30:33 PM
River just fallen for the first time in a while, but only by 1cm. (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7162)

Latest EA forecast for Hurley to Cookham
"The river and flooding forecast is as follows: River levels on the River Thames remain high and are slowly rising in the Hurley area. There is a flood warning in force to cover this area. The weather prospects are: for scattered showers overnight and into Thursday. Thursday is expected to be a drier day.
07:23 on 09 Jan 2014"


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 09, 2014, 02:12:02 PM
Causeway opening for residents to move their cars delayed to 330pm at request of Holy Trinity School so that schoolchildren can cross on foot before cars are allowed.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on January 09, 2014, 02:54:29 PM
water in the fields adjacent to lightlands lane rose by about 8 inches overnight.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: monty on January 09, 2014, 03:31:20 PM
I live in Lightlands Lane, can see the water all I can say is 1947, we live in a flood plain.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 09, 2014, 05:54:24 PM
Hi Monty – sorry to say this but I took a stroll down to the causeway at about 3pm this afternoon and the flow of the water, which was very strong, was head slap bang in your direction. I admire your stoical approach about living in a flood plain, I wish you the best of luck.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Middleton on January 09, 2014, 06:22:18 PM
We live in Lightlands Lane....it's not up to the 2003 level yet....


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 09, 2014, 06:35:12 PM
From the RBWM flooding update page refering to the whole Borough (http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/web/news_flood_update.htm) .....

Current water levels

The Environment Agency advises that the River Thames will continue to rise over the next few days peaking on Sunday or Monday.

The river is expected to rise by 20cms - although this is subject to change and future rainfall.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: monty on January 09, 2014, 07:18:28 PM
Thank you EUwave but I am sure we will manage. I lived in Terrys Lane in 1947 and lived in Strande Lane in 1962/63 with the snow when we were snowed in for nine weeks, we will cope if it comes to it.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Billp on January 09, 2014, 08:24:02 PM
I have just been doing some checking on that EA website. Can anyone explain to me why the water level on Jubilee River dropped by about half at 3pm on Wednesday (see: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7164 ) to a level now less than half its normal level? And what does this mean for levels upstream, i.e. here in Cookham? Forgive my ignorance.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 10, 2014, 07:45:16 AM
Thames rose to 128cm by 7am this morning.  Up 3cm in the last 24hours.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: emma5781 on January 10, 2014, 09:14:36 AM
Thames rose to 128cm by 7am this morning.  Up 3cm in the last 24hours.

i thought it was going down as no rain water :o


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Showem on January 10, 2014, 09:42:13 AM
All the extra water from upstream is moving through. Hence the rise.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 10, 2014, 09:48:29 AM
Emma5781 – It can take anywhere between 48 to 96 hours for the rain that fell up river in places like Oxfordshire to reach this part of the world. What is happening with the level locally is a result of the rainfall from days ago up stream, hence the warning from the EA that local peak levels are likely around Sunday / Monday.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 10, 2014, 10:49:41 AM
Peaking on Sunday or Monday - it will be a while before all the horses can move back to Strande Lane!  I noticed that the bit of the lane that was raised after the last major flood there when there was a boat for going backwards and forwards in has now flooded across.  Sadly it does look like things are going to get worse before they get better.  But it is one of those things and we just have to get on with it now that it has happened, no point crying in the flood water, it'll just make it go up even more!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 10, 2014, 02:51:12 PM
From the RBWM website flooding update at 130pm 10 January .....

"The Environment Agency advises that the River Thames will continue to rise by 5 to 10cms over the next 24 hours.

The Met Office predicts 20mm of rain on Monday and the outlook for the midweek onwards is wet and windy."

The river level hasn't changed significantly since 7am. 127cm at Cookham lock (upstream gauge).


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 11, 2014, 08:38:49 AM
There has been no significant change in the river gauge measurement at Cookham Lock overnight.  It's at 128cm (upstream side).  Hurley and Maidenhead gauges are steady too.  It's looking like the EA forecast for a 5-10cm by lunchtime rise was too high, but the error may be in the timing, so it would e wise to keep a close eye on it at http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7164 on teh case the rise is still to come.

@CllrFionaHewer


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 11, 2014, 12:56:15 PM
127cm at lunchtime. Very busy on the Causeway and streets around with people visiting to look at the floods.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on January 11, 2014, 01:06:15 PM

Environment Agency on Jubilee River
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GwiUPaA9BDo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GwiUPaA9BDo)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 11, 2014, 05:02:53 PM
River level remaining steady at 126cm.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 11, 2014, 05:52:50 PM
Latest from the Environment Agency South East on the Thames at http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/news/151556.aspx?coverage=&persona=&sector=&frompanel=1.

The EA statement includes the following bits I thought were of particular relevance:
".....Between Reading to Maidenhead levels are now stabilising. However, between Windsor and Chertsey, levels are still rising, but very slowly. The River Thames is expected to stop rising in all parts within the next 24 hours but it may be some days before the levels are back to normal......The Jubilee River flood scheme is in operation, reducing the risk of flooding to communities in Maidenhead, Windsor and Eton....People are also urged to avoid driving or walking through flood water. Fast-flowing water that is just 15cm deep can be enough to knock an adult off their feet.

Ian Tomes, Flood and Costal risk Manager, said: “River levels will remain high for the next few days and we expect to see further property flooding. We’re paying close attention to the River Thames, particularly Windsor, Datchet, Wraysbury, Egham and Staines."

@CllrFionaHewer


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: CH on January 11, 2014, 10:30:11 PM
Anyone know how the road past Longridge is? I need to be in Marlow tomorrow and not sure the best way to drive.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: emma5781 on January 11, 2014, 10:51:25 PM
Anyone know how the road past Longridge is? I need to be in Marlow tomorrow and not sure the best way to drive.
I walked there today as was in marlow, apparently some boys were cycling through but I wouldn't recommend a car going through. The main road through Marlow is clear just could be busy with cars looking at the river thames.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Mumofone on January 11, 2014, 10:53:58 PM
Anyone know how the road past Longridge is? I need to be in Marlow tomorrow and not sure the best way to drive.

Go down through Furze Platt/Pinkneys and along the bypass if I were you. I went by and looked down to Longridge and that area is an ocean.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 12, 2014, 09:50:08 AM
Good morning.  River level news is getting a bit better. The river has fallen 4cm in the last 24 hours and is now 121cm upstream of Cookham Lock (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7162).   

The Moor Road closed when the river rose to 100cm, but last winter it wasn't reopened until the river fell to 90cm.  At the slow rate of falling, that could be a few days off.  There is nothing new this morning, but RBWM are posting road closure updates at http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/web/news_flood_update.htm.

The A4094 north of Cookham Bridge floods at 112cm, but closing/opening it is down to the Bucks authorities and I don't have a sense of when they do things.

This year was my first experience of the A4094 Sutton Road closing due to flooding. It closed when the river rose to 118cm.  Based on what happens with the Moor Road, I'd guess it may not open 'til the river has fallen below 110cm.

@CllrFionaHewer


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 13, 2014, 07:36:54 AM
The river remains high but has dropped 15cm over the weekend. The EA gauge upstream of Cookham Lock is 113cm this morning.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/136496.aspx?stationId=7162

@CllrFionaHewer


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Jabber on January 13, 2014, 12:10:42 PM
I note that in our garden that water stopped flowing out of the river into the fields around 10am and it has now started moving back from fields to river, at least in Spade Oak Reach.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: carlosthegooner on January 13, 2014, 08:17:20 PM
Has any one heard on the grapevine when Sutton Road or Ferry Lane might open..??


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on January 13, 2014, 09:23:04 PM
Quite frankly, they are both open to anyone taking the risk.

(a) Ferry Lane:  At 15:00rs today, it still had the blue "Police" signs up but they were being largely ignored.  Not just vans & SUV's but smaller vehicles (saw a mini get through OK)

(b) Sutton Road:  Same thing.  The Police sign is now positioned well outside the village 30mph zone (i.e. further on from Sutton Close, at the first bend) although the Highways Dept. red notice boards are still in the same place.  Again, most vehicles are now passing through.

So the bottom line is that they are "Officially Closed" according to the signs but most motorists are ignoring these.  During the night though, I think vehicles are, however, reluctant to pass through.

No comments please about "It is Illegal" and "Insurance Invalidated" (covered elsewhere), I am just reporting the facts.




Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Bagheera on January 14, 2014, 12:45:32 AM
Quarry Wood Channel has reopened.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on January 14, 2014, 07:51:55 AM
River level down to 102cm  this morning.  That's still 60cm above normal.  The Borough Council is announcing road closure information at

http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/web/news_flood_update.htm


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Berty on January 14, 2014, 01:05:32 PM
Sutton Road has no water on the road at all now and completely clear.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: RBWM Press Release on January 14, 2014, 03:21:03 PM
The latest flood info from the Royal Borough has been put on our website at

http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/web/news_flood_update.htm

As Thames levels begin to show signs of falling, the council is looking to help local people and services get back to normal so there is ‘recovery’ information now provided.



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 14, 2014, 04:08:49 PM
I see the residents of Wraysbury aren't too happy about the Jubilee River - how on earth do they think we feel? We're on the list of people it's supposed to protect!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-25727040 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-25727040)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 14, 2014, 04:35:10 PM
I know this might sound like a stupid question but here goes anyway, did any premises actually flood in Cookham, other than basements, during this recent round of flooding? I have heard of any.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 14, 2014, 04:59:40 PM
The houses in Strande Lane came pretty close. And all the stables there have been evacuated, they all had water in them at varying depths and flows, so the owners will be losing out on whatever they charge the people for keeping their horses there.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 14, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
I know people who have horses there, they showed me a video clip, today as a matter of fact, when they went to rescue tackle etc. I guess what I am trying to point out is although the floods have cause a lot of disruption and yes some loss of business I don’t think any major flood damage has occurred, this is despite the fact that this was some of the worst flooding seen in a very long time. Therefore in MHO the EA seems to have done their job quite effectively.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 14, 2014, 05:40:18 PM
Yes, we have been fortunate in respect of actual damage to property and we should be thankful for that at least. 

btw I see that Sutton Road and the Bourne End side of Cookham Bridge are now open again and that the Causeway will now be reverting back to emergency vehicle access only tomorrow so it looks as though normality is starting to resume.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: smokey1 on January 14, 2014, 06:41:39 PM
Hopefully no-one was affected by the floods. But I see on the maidenhead news report, they are saying that the moor road will be opened tomorrow morning after 10.30.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Winter on January 14, 2014, 10:16:30 PM
I see the residents of Wraysbury aren't too happy about the Jubilee River - how on earth do they think we feel? We're on the list of people it's supposed to protect!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-25727040 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-25727040)

Paris - did you take time to read the article you posted the link to? The Jubilee river has been operating at full capacity since early Jan, taking out something like 200 tons of water per second out of the main river just below Cookham. This is 200 tons of water per second that would have been spilling into the flood plain upstream of the Jubilee river.



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: emma5781 on January 15, 2014, 08:32:08 AM
Went through cookham this morning and pass ferry road all clear from the signs expect when you go pass the flower land entrance it still says road closed ahead. Might be a good idea to remove this as a delivery truck for the new development by the river could not get through and tried to go up the narrow lane, could be some congestion there as I type this!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 15, 2014, 10:13:27 AM
Winter - yes I did read the article, my point was that our feeling of 'wellbeing' for want of a better word at not having properties flooded is at someone else's expense.  The fact that the Jubilee river has been operating and is continuing to operate at capacity since January cannot be a good thing as it leaves very little room for manouveure - it quite clearly isn't up to the job and more capacity is needed.  If it were not flooded the rest of the year round then it would have been able to take more water in to start with.  Think of the levees in the States - you don't see them full of water all year round, they flood them when they need to.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on January 15, 2014, 02:02:36 PM
From a Cookham.com reader

The water level at Cookham Lock has now dropped below the magic 0.90m level but, according to the Community Warden, a road sweeper is required before the road across the Moor can be reopened. The road sweeper isn't coming until tomorrow! If anyone else feels that opening the Moor road should be a top priority please can you either phone 01628 683800 and ask if the road sweeper can come before rush hour today or email traffic@rbwm.gov.uk.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 15, 2014, 03:02:21 PM
The answer is not as simple as sweeping the road. Borough engineers have to inspect the road across the Moor to ensure that the flood waters have not damaged in anyway the integrity of the road structure. Until they have done this the road will remain shut, assuming the structure has not been affected it should be open tomorrow at sometime.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 15, 2014, 04:23:46 PM
Just a thought (and I'm really not trying to prolong any of the agony some are experiencing) does anyone know what the river level, i.e. flood forecast, is for the coming days given the rain forecast in the next few days?

I know that where the water has gone down that the ground is still saturated so am a bit concerned that we could all be heaving a sigh of relief at getting back to normal and then find ourselves in further need of wellies and sandbags.



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: monty on January 15, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Can anyone tell me is the Moor Road open yet ???


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Styx on January 15, 2014, 06:10:06 PM
Popped into the Uppers about 5.30 tonight and it was still closed Monty. The road was closed that is... not the pub...


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: monty on January 15, 2014, 06:13:29 PM
Thanks hopefully open tomorrow ???


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on January 15, 2014, 06:29:43 PM
On Friday the water level was at 129 cm at Cookham lock, it is now at 84cm, so a 45cm drop. It is likely to fall another 5cm to 10 cm overnight. The flooding issue occurs at 100cm, so unless there is a really bad spell of rain it looks like the worst is over. As stated earlier assuming the road across the moor has not been comprised by the flood water it should open some time tomorrow.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 16, 2014, 10:21:52 AM
Open now.  Since about 7.30 this morning.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 16, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
Thanks EUWAVE you've put my mind at rest.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: smokey1 on January 16, 2014, 06:22:40 PM
Well that is the end of the river level and flood discussions. I hope that every one is sorted now and there was no major problems. Thank you to FeEwer for her updates and information, and to every one else who posted updates, a great help. The only comment I have to make is that despite the early warnings about the road closures in Maidenhead, that cars were still travelling to Cookham, thinking they could get through, and having to turn round. I suppose one has to expect this in our present (thinking) society!!!!!!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Bagheera on January 16, 2014, 07:23:25 PM
The only comment I have to make is that despite the early warnings about the road closures in Maidenhead, that cars were still travelling to Cookham, thinking they could get through, and having to turn round. I suppose one has to expect this in our present (thinking) society!!!!!!
I hear a couple of morons back to Cookham on Saturday after they decided it would be a good idea to launch kayaks at the Ferry slipway and go off on a trip without lifejackets.

Apparently Mikethecabbie brought them back after they survived an involuntary swim in Maidenhead.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on January 17, 2014, 11:08:49 AM
Well done to Mikethecabbie in that case. :)

That's the sort of thing that usually ends in tears rather than a happy ending.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: smokey1 on February 03, 2014, 08:16:19 AM
I see from the environment web site that the Cookham level at Cookham lock is now .94m looks like we are in for some more flooding. Perhaps FeHewer can keep us up to date with the latest.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Styx on February 03, 2014, 08:40:39 AM
Drove to work this morning about 7.25ish, and the water is now lapping over the road again. Give that a couple of hours and I imagine the road will be submerged again - the National Trust car park is underwater already.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on February 03, 2014, 09:35:04 AM
I was on the causeway yesterday and the water in the Strand was flowing at quite a pace under the bridge towards Maidenhead, it has been mentioned before the magic number at Cookham lock is 100 once it hits that then it will flood, not if’s buts’ or maybe’s.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Jabber on February 03, 2014, 10:36:31 AM
Looking at the EA website it was showing 0.96 at 9am this morning, but dropped a little to 0.95 at 10am.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 03, 2014, 11:19:54 AM
Just asking, what effect does that have on the water that flows across the Moor to Strande Water - as that bit is before the lock measuring point.  From what I remember a couple of weeks ago someone was telling me that they'd be all right in Strande Lane because the level at the lock had gone down, next thing you know all you could see from there to Maidenhead was water and it was lapping at the doorsteps of the houses, and this is the water that causes the Moor Road to shut.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cervantes on February 03, 2014, 05:36:20 PM
The level at Strand Water relates directly to the EA websites Cookham Lock reading. The strand should have already burst its banks onto the east side of strand lane (0.96m during the last flood) but it appears all the debris carried into its usual entry point has prevented this. The water is now at 0.99m so well above the last time it flooded around there. Peak level was 1.29m during the last flood I believe.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on February 03, 2014, 05:53:35 PM
Correct 129m is what it reached 10 days ago, as yet I have no heard of any property being breached as result of that last flooding, although the White Oak had to pump out their cellar space.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 03, 2014, 05:55:29 PM
Thanks Cervantes for the clarification.  I believe that Strande Water is now out of it's banks in places, and spreading. 


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on February 06, 2014, 10:15:49 AM
Ouch! This was posted yesterday afternoon on the Advertiser website. Hold on to you hats!

The Met Office has warned that there could be non-stop rain from Thursday afternoon right through till Saturday.
It has issued an amber warning, meaning that heavy rainfall is likely, running from 3pm tomorrow right through until midnight on Saturday.
Winds are predicted to reach speeds of up to 52mph in Maidenhead on Saturday, as stormy conditions continue over southern England.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 06, 2014, 11:06:57 AM
Not just your hats, make sure no-one nicks your wellies either!!!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 06, 2014, 05:02:07 PM
It's up again to .97 - here we go again . . . .  :(


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on February 06, 2014, 08:12:24 PM
I have just stumbled upon a great website for those of us interested in monitoring local river levels - far better than the Environment Agency stuff which can be a bit hard to navigate.  The data sources are the same but the presentation, ease of use etc. etc. is infinitely better

Take a look at the following:

http://riverlevels.info/thames-cookham-cookham-lock (http://riverlevels.info/thames-cookham-cookham-lock)


It has high/low value graphs for the last 48 hours, 7 days and one month.

Better still, it gives links to the other nearby monitoring locations:

Jubilee River, Taplow
Maidenhead Ditch, Raymill Road
The Cut, The Bighams
Wye, Loudwater
Wye, Bourne End Wye

It seems it is all put together by some philanthropic guy, single handed - despite objections from the EA who caved in after a Freedom of Information request.  The background gives some very interesting insight.

http://riverlevels.info/pages/about (http://riverlevels.info/pages/about)




Title: Re: River Level
Post by: windymiller on February 06, 2014, 08:59:34 PM
Thanks for sharing that link, Aries - it looks really helpful. I had been wishing that the EA site would show more than 48 hours of historical data in its graphs. (And it's nice to see graphs with sensible axes too - it's not easy to decipher data on a graph with vertical gridlines set at intervals of 0.352m !)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Jabber on February 07, 2014, 06:00:34 AM
Does anyone know what year the "highest ever recorded" related to?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Styx on February 07, 2014, 07:51:59 AM
Just driven to work from Cookham Dean to Flackwell Heath... thought I'd mention that Marlow Road has a lot of standing water (the flooding variety) not far from the Kings Head. I only mention it as this is naturally a major route out for us all. Not sure what Sutton Road or Ferry Lane is like but with the river level sitting at 1.09m, it won't be long before these roads are closed too..... happy days.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on February 07, 2014, 08:34:29 AM
It has just record 1.10 at 8am, and predictions are it will rise further. If it gets to 120ish Widbrook will flood and anything above that will take out the road on the Bourne End side of the bridge, it peaked at 129 two weeks ago when all roads to the high street were shut.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: emma5781 on February 07, 2014, 08:36:02 AM
ferry lane is flooded :'(


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: flossi on February 07, 2014, 09:26:02 AM
Does anyone know if the large houses on the Bucks side took in water ? I hope the expensive measures taken to protect the houses in Berries Road some years ago have proved to be successful.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Dragonman on February 07, 2014, 02:54:58 PM
Flossi, I doubt it!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on February 07, 2014, 07:51:59 PM
FLOOD WARNING ISSUED FOR COOKHAM


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on February 08, 2014, 01:13:33 PM
Just been told that Widbrook has been closed?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: turnip on February 08, 2014, 03:52:16 PM
Yes, barriers are up in Maidenhead but people still drive down to make sure it is really really closed...Not sure how deep but I guess enough to be a risk.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Showem on February 08, 2014, 06:27:17 PM
For some reason this song keeps going through my head: http://youtu.be/qSz6X5NMXnM (http://youtu.be/qSz6X5NMXnM)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cookie on February 08, 2014, 08:09:10 PM
Here's another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NFywQdeKSo


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Thomas Lee on February 09, 2014, 10:49:51 AM
Here's another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NFywQdeKSo
Sister Rosetta Thorpe. Wow, I thought I was about the only person in England who knew her. While she, and her life, are little to do with flooding, her voice is awesome. Thanks for making my day!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on February 10, 2014, 05:59:21 AM
Lightlands lane sewage pumping station and sub station flooded. water approaching the road.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on February 10, 2014, 12:39:17 PM
From a resident

Two photos of Widbrook Common yesterday afternoon. The water is rushing across the road from west to east.  Needless to say the A4094 Sutton Road remains closed.  Unlike for the B4447 Moor Road, this closure is not well signposted on approach roads from Maidenhead.

RBWM's latest website update (1545 yesterday) also reports that Quarry Wood Road (Longridge Centre), Ferry Lane and Cookham Bridge are closed.  It also says the 37 bus is not serving Cookham, and is diverted via Pinkeys Green, which is a great loss for bus pass users who shop etc in Maidenhead.  The website also announces the shuttle bus and the limited causeway opening; I haven't heard how those are going.

The river rose to 130cm at Cookham Lock yesterday morning, that is higher that the highest this winter so far, which was 129cm on 10th January.  It is projected to rise above the levels seen in 2003, which peaked at 146cm. I expect you have seen that EA have warned that 20 properties in Cookham are expected to flood.

Holy Trinity has very helpfully started running a volunteer centre from its 'Parish Office' to get shopping and emergency supplies for people in the village.  

(http://www.cookham.com/images/flood201402b.jpg)
(http://www.cookham.com/images/flood201402a.jpg)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on February 10, 2014, 06:55:17 PM
From a Bisham resident

Just to say again ‘thank you’ to all the Cookham people who are disseminating all this information about river levels and closed roads.  It is very much appreciated by people in Bisham to whom I have been passing it on.  Our only actual road that is closed again is Quarry Wood Road.  So don’t try to come that way to get to Marlow – instead go by the Bisham roundabout on to the A404 coming off at the Bourne End turning, or (busier) through Bisham Village and over Marlow Bridge.
 

Like Cookham, we are having quite a tough time here too, with more actual properties flooded than I can remember and the river is still rising – we now also have the extra problem of raw sewage in quite a large area because the main drainage system is overloaded with floodwater.
 

I have been on to the Borough to ask for more sandbags but not many have been forthcoming – Marlow seems to be doing better than the RBWM.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Aries on February 11, 2014, 10:57:25 AM
Just a note for our brothers and sisters in Bisham regarding sandbags.

I spoke with the helpline @ RBWM to get a clearer picture of the situation.  It "seems" that the EA/RBWM will provide the sandbags when the property is at "immediate" risk of flooding.  How this is achieved, I don't know but I think the local Community Wardens play a part in maintaining vigilance.  Regrettably, it does all seem a bit vague but it is understandable given that the problem is so huge at the moment.  

From my position (Cookham Village resident) we have now bought out own sandbags - no trivial matter given that building supply companies cannot get access into the village.  We were able to get a limited amount into the car and drive over The Causeway (we are helped by the slight relaxation in the opening times).

Just for reference the costs were as follows:


      Packs of 5 FloodSax @ Travis Perkins = £28.80 inc. VAT.  These are the lightweight bags, which expand to pillow size after soaking in water - High Tech solution, see

      http://www.floodsax.co.uk/floodsax/ (http://www.floodsax.co.uk/floodsax/)

      Empty sandbags (also at Travis Perkins) £1.38 each

      Builders sand (bagged - each, probably about enough for one sandbag) on offer £13 for 10 @ B&Q


Supplies of both the above are, understandably, running low.







Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on February 11, 2014, 11:12:52 AM
From a Cookham Resident

I know this isn't Cookham but may be useful to know that Wootton Rd/Norden Rd is closed at railway bridge. Long diversion in place but best avoided.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on February 11, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
From a Cookham Resident

Network Rail has informed us that signal and safety equipment in the Maidenhead area has been affected by flooding. Travel to and from Paddington affected.

See http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on February 11, 2014, 11:35:36 AM
Sandbags
Another option is exterior grade plywood across the door bedded on sealant and screwed into the brickwork. Can be backed up with sandbags. Expanding foam to seal other gaps. £150 for 4 doors from B and Q. They will cut the boards to size. I wasn't the only one buying..
I'd rather do something than nothing.
Work out what you want to save and what can be sacrificed and what might make a mess if it gets wet. (washing powder etc) and move it.
Prepare for power going off.
Torches, camping lights etc. Pack phone chargers and medicines and insurance documents.
Might want to turn off storage heaters if flooding is likely or they will turn a room into a kettle if they get wet.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: smokey1 on February 11, 2014, 12:52:35 PM
Just had a visit from RBWM who are delivering sand bags to us this afternoon. They stated that these must not be used for garages but solely for the main building. Still no visit from National Grid who cut us off yesterday. Even thought the Cookham Lock readings show a reduction in the level, still coming up from the ground.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 11, 2014, 02:08:50 PM
Some good tips there wannabe.  Don't forgot to block airbricks as well, a similar solution with smaller pieces of wood and sealant/screws should do the trick - but do remember to remove them as soon as the water has gone done to help your building to breathe again and dry out.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on February 11, 2014, 03:39:21 PM
Thanks,
I just have just had a look at water levels off Lightlands lane and the level inside the pumping station is about a foot higher than in the field. Looks like the station may be pumping into the gardens because I don't think it ever got as high in the fields as it is in the pumping station now. when they built the brick bund they didn't put anything in to release trapped water. Looks like it will top their wall about 8 inches before it will  try to get into my house..I've suggested they might want to pump their water out of my garden...

I read someone mention using big plastic boxes to raise beds up in the house. (single storey) but I had a look at B+Q plastic buckets and I think they would do upside down. They seem strong enough. £1.50 each. strong plastic shelving is £34 a pack.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on February 11, 2014, 04:01:23 PM
From a cookham.com reader

I've just found that Crescent Building Supplies in reform road have lots of sandbags still available! £3.50 plus VAT each, very helpful staff too!!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on February 11, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
More Tips - Sandbags are very useful and will definitely lessen the effect of flooding. If you have time you should lay strong plastic down first and then place the bags on top of the plastic. Lay the bags as you would a brick wall, i.e.: overlapping rather than just one on top of the other.

Make sure the plastic runs up the inside of the sandbag wall, i.e.: between the bags and the door you are trying to protect, wrap the plastic over the second to last layer and then lay the last layer of bags on top of the plastic to keep it place. Also if you have enough time and bags repeat the process inside, leaving just one entrance and exit point clear, you may want to put a couple of layers of bags on this exit point as well. Make sure you block off all outlets on the ground floor, toilets, sinks, baths etc.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Mumofone on February 11, 2014, 04:39:09 PM
Another tip - if you have garden furniture that will fit inside your house you can use it to raise valuables off the floor -
Duct tape over downstairs skirting level electric sockets -
If you think water will get in roll up carpet and lay it up the stairs if possible
plastic bags round the legs of dining table and put chairs on top


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 11, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
Level at Cookham Lock is now 1.30, it's been 1.32 all day so going in the right direction, but obviously all this water will be with us for a while yet and levels are bound to rise again when the next band of rain hits the south.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on February 12, 2014, 08:42:26 AM
I note the river level is standing at 1.26 at 8am this morning, it was 1.36 on Sunday, I guess it depends what the next band of rain is going to do to the level?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on February 12, 2014, 09:00:37 AM
River level may have gone down 4cm overnight but the level in my garden has gone up. water seems to be coming from the sewage pumping station in Lightlands Lane as the level there is higher than in the fields. Thames Water arrived at about 2300 last night to look but I haven't been to see if they have done anything yet.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: EUWAVE on February 12, 2014, 10:21:41 AM
Wannabe, the problem unfortunately is not just the river level; the ground is so saturated now that the water table cannot cope, so the water is coming from below. I have seen fields full of water that have been ½ mile or so from the Thames, this can only be coming from underground.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 12, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
Yep, rising groundwater is our 'new' problem.

I'm in Bourne End this morning and a lot of the surface water drains alongside the road are 'bubbling up'.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on February 12, 2014, 11:36:09 AM
Mine isn't ground water its dirty smelly pumping station water


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 12, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
Sorry wannbe - I wasn't responding to your issue - but making a general observation that the floodwater cannot drain away through the ground and then into the river system as it would normally as the ground is so saturated that ground and surface water have met in the middle and in low lying areas of ground away from the river the groundwater is rising to the surface.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: James Hatch on February 12, 2014, 02:05:59 PM
Boy Oh! Boy! I think the penny has finally dropped I have been telling you for years that the village is sitting on one very large gravel bed. Even in a dry summer there is water flowing some six to eight feet below the surface. There use to be three hand pumps on Sutton Allotments, where the gardeners could fill their water cans with  water to water their plots.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 12, 2014, 02:11:56 PM
James, that is not helpful at all.  We're all very well aware of that fact and don't need it pointing out right at this very moment when we are struggling so hard, or perhaps it has escaped your attention that we are in an area that the emergency services have categorised as a 'major incident'.  And don't you dare try to belittle that with any inane comments, people are in real trouble with no sight of let up in sight.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Styx on February 12, 2014, 02:33:00 PM
James, do you ever have anything constructive to say? Smug comments aren't exactly welcome right now!  >:(


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 12, 2014, 03:21:39 PM
Styx - I think perhaps James better log on to some of our news sites to see just how bad the situation is, not just here but across the Thames Valley and southwest of the country - I think he is of the opinion we are all dealing with a mere puddle.  Perhaps he wouldn't be so flippant then.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: James Hatch on February 12, 2014, 03:35:37 PM
I suppose you did not know that we get a very full account from what is happening from the BBC world service. The poor people of Datchett have now to suffer because of the Jubilee Cut!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Rhubarb on February 12, 2014, 03:37:54 PM
James. You live in a different town, country, continent. Regardless of your past in Cookham (and I am aware of the interesting historical contribution your posts make) with the greatest of respect kindly defer from this thread as you are simply not here and we need to respond to the present and not the past.

For others, please get back on track and focus on helpful input here.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Mumofone on February 12, 2014, 03:42:49 PM
James, hundreds or thousands of people have had to move out of their houses, are going through great distress knowing they have a very long time before their houses will be habitable again. It is horrible, and your comments are obviously going to cause people upset. Please have the compassion not to make unhelpful comments. It is extremely unkind.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: James Hatch on February 12, 2014, 03:45:53 PM
One thing Rhubarb, people should learn from the past. In this case, it seems that the people have failed to do.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Styx on February 12, 2014, 03:49:36 PM
Agreed Paris. James, you have been asked to defer from this thread with good reason. Your opinions are clearly upsetting others here. Smug remarks are NOT WELCOME right now.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Dragonman on February 12, 2014, 03:59:16 PM
James is right, people have not listened to his warnings.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Rhubarb on February 12, 2014, 04:04:17 PM
James. If you were here and as a senior citizen I would knock on your door to make sure you had protection and were safe. That's got naff all to do with the past. Its just the way things are. You are thousands of miles away. Situations today have evolved from 47, 03 etc with differing and influential changes such as flood relief, spill off rivers, technical advances in terms of sluice gates , locks and river observation and management.

Please, please recognise your points and provocative comments are redundant and offer or serve no value to the debate.

I live here. Today. I go out into the village and can see whats happening as others here can. Being thousands of miles away looking at the internet is a poor poor substitute for really being here.

Don't respond to this. Please keep a dignified silence in acknowledgement that the locals need to get on with the job at hand.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on February 12, 2014, 04:07:58 PM
I have just removed one post which was a rather personal remark. If there are more in that vein I will consider stronger action. This is not a time to wind people upon this friendly website.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 12, 2014, 04:11:54 PM
OK, right - let's get back on track, James is not here, has nothing useful to contribute to what is happening right now and continues to make light of a situation that we are finding very distressing to say the least.

The good news is that the river levels have fallen today.  However, the water is not going to magically disappear overnight and I think we can all agree that pulling together, looking out for each other and trying to keep our chins up in the best of British traditions will see us through.  The Parish Council, military, RBWM, EA, etc are doing their very best to help and there are other threads on this board to keep us abreast of what help is available, from who and where.  

This website is a godsend in terms of communication and I think the webmaster and contributors are to be congratulated for their efforts in communicating both on these boards and in the wider community during this awful time.  Personally, as I'm not able to be home all day, keeping an eye on this site and the EA and RBWM websites has helped to calm the mind and although my mind can never be truly at rest while I'm away at least the fear is kept at bay because I at least have some idea of what is happening and what I can expect to find before me when I get home.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: MikeS on February 12, 2014, 04:25:39 PM
So looks like '000s of sandbags delivered to the Crown and I am told that the Army are gonna sandbag the bund/causeway - not houses - lets stop the water not block it. They are also gonna do down Mill Lane (SPC told me).

I have been to Travis Perkins and bought half a tonne of builders sand and have made my own - I live in School Lane.



Mike


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 12, 2014, 04:29:41 PM
They're going to sandbag the bund?  You mean the one that is keeping the water in the Strande area and stopping it flowing across to North Town?  Eeek, they must be expecting a real deluge in the next couple of days.  I think I'll clear up and clear out!


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: MikeS on February 12, 2014, 04:33:38 PM
Thats what the SPC told me. Might be wrong. I think that "Call me Dave" has gone overkill on showing the Tory heartland (doesn't get more so that Cookham etc" that he is taking the seriously.

Also - they have open the wiers at Oxford to release water there which could add 2ft to us here ( Army said that to Crown this AM) - this is all heresay!

I will wander out in next 30 mins again to see what is happening.

Mike   


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 12, 2014, 04:43:49 PM
Oh eck.  Mike please keep us posted if you can.  I'm gonna need to make a move pronto if that amount of water is coming our way.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Mumofone on February 12, 2014, 05:08:31 PM
Oh Paris, you have my deepest empathy if you are likely to get water - sincerely hope you and everyone stay safe


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 12, 2014, 05:11:58 PM
I don't want to be accused of spreading alarm, but there is a comment on the Oxford Mail Live Flood Blog that the EA tweeted at 3.10 pm today: 'NEWS: Windsor, Maidenhead & Surrey warned to expect severe disruption - Thames to rise to highest levels for 60+ years'.

I am now seriously worried, and if this is case, why hasn't anyone been around to tell us?

Thanks MumofOne for your kind message.  It's really only posessions that are at risk now, but worrying all the same.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: windymiller on February 12, 2014, 05:27:33 PM
The EA tweet links to this page: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/news/151912.aspx, which says ...

Flooding set to continue into the weekend along Thames and in Somerset
12-Feb-2014
Windsor, Maidenhead and communities in Surrey warned to expect severe disruption as Thames to rise in places to highest levels for over 60 years

Windsor, Maidenhead and communities along the Thames in Surrey remain at high risk of flooding from the Thames today and Thursday – with significant flooding of homes and businesses expected. With further rainfall forecast for today and on Friday and Saturday, the risk of flooding is likely to increase over the next few days. There are currently 14 severe flood warnings in force for the Thames Valley area.
Around 50 homes along the Thames Valley were flooded overnight, bringing the total number of homes flooded since Friday 29 January to 1,135. During this time over 181,000 homes have been protected and over 200,000 homes have been sent a flood warning following the wettest January since 1766.

Flood Warnings
...Across the country Environment Agency teams are out in force 24/7 deploying sandbags along riverbanks, clearing river blockages, monitoring water levels, sending out flood warnings and deploying temporary defences. Over the past week 23 demountable defences have been put up – including at Osney near Oxford, Purley on Thames, Guildford, Cookham and Kenley in Croydon – to help provide additional protection to at risk communities.
Below Maidenhead levels will potentially rise over the weekend and early next week to the highest levels seen so far. The current extent of flooding is similar to that seen in 2003, and could reach 1947 levels in places in days to come.

Since the beginning of December, flood schemes have defended more than 1.3m homes and businesses and protected nearly 2,500 square kilometres of farmland across England. In the same period, 5,800 properties have flooded as a result of the extraordinary series of weather storms.

Paul Leinster, Chief Executive of Environment Agency, said: ...“With further rain expected in the coming days, after the wettest January on record in England, the situation is likely to get worse before it gets better. Further flooding is expected along the Thames, which could reach its highest levels in some places since 1947. River levels are very high across south west, central and southern England and further rain has the potential to cause significant flooding. I urge the public to sign up to our receive free flood warnings, check their flood risk, and keep up to date with the latest situation on the Environment Agency website and on social media using #floodaware.”


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 12, 2014, 05:37:08 PM
Thanks Windymiller - I could probably have checked that out myself, but I'm not au fait with Twitter! 

The Mhd Advertiser blog made mention of the sandbags being used to block the High Street to stop the water spreading there, that and the tweet and what Mike reported are starting to look like there is an awful lot of water coming our way.  (I do hope I'm not adding 2+2 and getting 5 though.)


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: MikeS on February 12, 2014, 06:06:26 PM
So, sandbags round the causeway and along doorways in high street. Moor looks to be down a foot maybe more.

I'm hoping this is "showing we are taking this seriously" but  its a bit scary.

I'm off out to make more and bags in a minute.

Mike


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: windymiller on February 12, 2014, 06:48:30 PM
For info, the EA's Flood Warning website doesn't mention any imminent huge (eg - 2ft) rise in river level.  Just that "river levels are expected to return to levels similar to those seen during the past week, over the weekend ... due to forecast rainfall".  I would hope that, if they were releasing a large amount of water upstream, they would mention any expected rise here? I'm taking that as a slightly reassuring sign, anyway!

River Thames from Hurley to Cookham including Harleyford, Bisham, Marlow and Bourne End
05:41 on 12 Feb 2014
The river and flooding forecast is as follows: River levels in the Hurley to Cookham areas remain very high and out of banks. However levels have reached their highest point and are very slowly starting to fall. This slow decline is expected to continue over the next 24 hours but the Thames could then once again rise after that due to forecast rainfall. Flood Warnings are still in force as property flooding is currently expected. The weather prospects are to expect heavy rain through Wednesday morning and afternoon. This will be followed by showers, some heavy at times, which will continue through Thursday.

River Thames at Cookham including Cookham Lock, Cookham Village and East Cookham Rise
13:13 on 12 Feb 2014
River levels on the Thames are generally falling. A Flood Warning remains in place as river levels are expected to start rising again from Thursday onwards in response to forecast rainfall. River levels are expected to return to levels similar to those seen during the past week, over the weekend. The Environment Agency's incident room is currently open 24 hours a day and we are monitoring the situation closely. Residents should remain vigilant. The weather prospects are to expect heavy rain through Wednesday morning and afternoon. This will be followed by showers, some heavy at times, that will continue through Thursday



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: James Down The Hatch on February 12, 2014, 09:12:08 PM
Guessing the amount of water to release at Oxford to effect a 2 feet rise in levels here would be truly reckless. The Environment Agency would never consider doing that: they do not have the computer models to predict the behaviour. Besides, we would be in severe flood warning conditions if the level was likely to rise by 2 feet. At the time of writing, a rise of 2 feet would top the 1896 level of 178cm at upstream Cookham lock.

I have no idea where this rumour came from. Let's just stick to what we know to be factual. The upstream reading peak of 138cm attained earlier this week did not top the 2003 level of 146cm. The levels are falling slowly as the EA anticipated. Some rain today (Feburary 12th) and on Friday (February 14th) will impact levels: with the normal lag of a four (ish) days shortened due to ground saturation. The forecast towards the end of February is for colder and drier conditions.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on February 13, 2014, 12:08:39 PM
The river has fallen further to 119cm this morning, but is expected to start rising again later today, and get back up to 2003-type levels again at the weekend. Latest forecast from the EA for Cookham in full:


River levels on the Thames are steadily falling but remain sensitive to the further rainfall forecast over the coming days. A Flood Warning remains in place as river levels are expected to start rising again from Thursday onwards. River levels are expected to return to levels similar to those seen during the past week, over the coming weekend. The Environment Agency's incident room is currently open 24 hours a day and we are monitoring the situation closely. Residents should remain vigilant. The weather prospects are: Showers on Thursday morning are expected and there is more heavy rainfall forecast for Friday and Saturday.

02:31 on 13 Feb 2014

An elderly lady on Spade Oak Reach has had problems getting sandbags.  Her neighbour is helping her and I have given him the the new number to call for sandbags in Cookham i.e. 01628 482910.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: wannabe on February 14, 2014, 06:51:38 AM
Thanks,
I just have just had a look at water levels off Lightlands lane and the level inside the pumping station is about a foot higher than in the field. Looks like the station may be pumping into the gardens because I don't think it ever got as high in the fields as it is in the pumping station now. when they built the brick bund they didn't put anything in to release trapped water. Looks like it will top their wall about 8 inches before it will  try to get into my house..I've suggested they might want to pump their water out of my garden...

Fire service have pumped the water out. :) Thames water didn't seem to do anything.
Councillor Hewer has added this to the post flood action items.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cervantes on February 14, 2014, 12:54:57 PM
Whilst the level may go up again it doesn't look like it will reach last weeks peak of 1.38m. There is no mention on the EA site about it returning to 2003 levels.

Was all the work prompted by the PM's message a bit late? By the time the army arrived it had peaked and flooded all it was going to flood. I mean in the Cookhams as I heard a report it was still filling up areas of land downstream. I don't mean to criticise the people on the ground. They have worked hard and come together as a community should. Just question the timing of the macro scale relief effort.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Paris on February 14, 2014, 01:52:54 PM
Think the comment about 2003 levels has now been removed. It certainly was there earlier in the week.  As to what happens next - have you seen the rain today?  All that lot has to go somewhere and the Thames Valley Catchment is pretty large, I for one wouldn't be surpised if we see a return to the levels of last weekend over the coming one.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on February 15, 2014, 08:59:46 AM
River level started rising slowly yesterday evening. Up only about 3cm overnight.   The EA website stopped reporting levels upstream at Cookham Lock at 4am (115cm).

The latest forecast from the EA for Cookham (2053 14 Feb) says that the river is expect to keep rising into next week. Maximum river levels are forecast not to exceed levels seen at the beginning of this week (Cervantes' 138cm) but only if we have no further heavy rain after Saturday.


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: localmum on February 15, 2014, 11:25:31 AM
What happened to the EA website, are they hit by the floods?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Cervantes on February 15, 2014, 12:23:58 PM
Still get a response from most lock level pages. Perhaps the level monitoring station at cookham was knocked out by the storm last night.

Marlow lock is a reasonable substitute which peaked at 1.23m (highest recorded) last week. Now hovering at .92m


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: fehewer on February 17, 2014, 08:10:08 AM
Cookham Lock river gauge came back yesterday evening and is reporting 111cm this morning, 27cm below most recent peak.

And Sutton Road is open!



Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Styx on February 21, 2014, 11:53:38 AM
With the latest river level recording 0.94cm today, are we in any danger of the road being opened up soon?


Title: Re: River Level
Post by: Independent on February 21, 2014, 12:00:22 PM
About .8 to .85 I believe based on previous info from F Hewer