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Title: Road Closures
Post by: EUWAVE on August 20, 2014, 01:03:19 PM
Just heard that there are going to be road closures through Cookham and surrounding areas on Sunday 7th September from 9am till 12 for a half marathon. Don,t anything more than that.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on August 20, 2014, 03:52:51 PM
I expect it will be the usual route. 

So the same people as usual get inconvenienced. 

Can't for the life of me see why we can't have a year off now and again and the route be varied.

But hey ho, we voted for the council and the council want to have the event, so it's no use complaining, there's none so deaf as those that don't want to hear.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 20, 2014, 04:36:05 PM
Lightlands Lane  and Maidenhead Road shut. - so no going anywhere that morning unless we get up early and leave before 7.30. Why don't they run round the running track. ???


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on August 20, 2014, 05:44:43 PM
Yep, same route as usual then.
 >:(
Another day where I can't pursue my hobby for the sake of someone else pursuing theirs and have my weekend wrecked as a result of restricted access.

Agree with you Monty - they should use the running track - that never seems to have anyone using it (at least every time I go past there isn't anyone there).

Or do laps around Maidenhead.  I know a friend of Purple Patch and they tell me that the council want to have a Maidenhead half marathon - well why don't they keep it around Maidenhead and do laps if they can't make a route long enough.  The High Street is pretty empty most of the time, why not go up and down there a few times?

Argghhhh.

(And yes, I have voiced and written of my annoyance to Purple Patch - all I got was a condescending 'we'll try to improve access next year' in response.)


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Winter on August 20, 2014, 07:00:51 PM

Agree with you Monty - they should use the running track - that never seems to have anyone using it (at least every time I go past there isn't anyone there).



A very parochial attitude and a ridiculous comment to suggest that thousands of people run 50 times around a small track. I expect you will not be attending the Gravity Grand Prix as this also closes roads to enable people to enjoy themselves, including people from outside Cookham.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 20, 2014, 07:33:34 PM
Are you inconvenienced by these road closures Winter. Thank you Paris for your comments :o


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Roger on August 20, 2014, 08:33:10 PM
How long are the roads closed? It says that the presentation is at 11.45am does that mean the Cookham roads will be re-opened by then?


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: cfarnsbarn on August 21, 2014, 10:06:33 AM
Seems obvious really,run on the pavement.!!!!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on August 21, 2014, 10:10:57 AM

Agree with you Monty - they should use the running track - that never seems to have anyone using it (at least every time I go past there isn't anyone there).



A very parochial attitude and a ridiculous comment to suggest that thousands of people run 50 times around a small track. I expect you will not be attending the Gravity Grand Prix as this also closes roads to enable people to enjoy themselves, including people from outside Cookham.


But Winter, the Grand Prix may close the road, but residents can still get in and out, that's not always the case with the marathon.  And, no I won't be attending the Gravity Grand Prix, it's getting out of proportion for the space available and clogs up the surrounding roads as well with all the people that drive to it and can't park when the get there.  I support the Air Ambulance in other ways.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: EUWAVE on August 21, 2014, 11:06:27 AM
Roger the note I saw yesterday said the roads would be closed between 9 and 12. Regarding the route used I suggest that perhaps a local landowner might allow them to run around his land, after all it is quite big enough for the numbers involved.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Gazzetta on August 21, 2014, 01:18:18 PM
I've just been asked to steward the event so when you are getting angry and frustrated just remember I am only doing my job.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Dragonman on August 21, 2014, 02:24:43 PM
There was a time when a Maidenhead Running Club use to use a network of footpaths for their races. Of course this was in the day when the lowly 'PLIMSOLE' was the favoured footwear! Now of course it is not advisable as it would damage today's exotic and high priced footwear, then of course it may hurt the runners poor little tootsies!!!!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Sutton on August 21, 2014, 03:14:01 PM
Paris said:
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(And yes, I have voiced and written of my annoyance to Purple Patch - all I got was a condescending 'we'll try to improve access next year' in response.)

Paris, if they assured you they would 'try' to improve access this year, please keep them up to it as we can see no improvements whatsoever - can anyone else? Be insistent that they keep to their word and that something is done for you, as these people think they can treat residents they like.

It's all about profit - and I gather from reading the feedback from disappointed runners that Purple Patch are far stingier with what they offer them in goodies than other businesses who arrange these runs. Why doesn't that surprise me.

Henley got their even bigger running race stopped a couple of years ago as they were such a nuisance and offered the town nothing, and Cookham can do the same if enough people are seriously against it. If Maidenhead is willing to put up with them, that's their choice.

Let people run if they want to take a chance against the traffic, as they have to do on runs in other places - even in towns - but they have no moral right to affect our lives or imprison us when we all have our own personal commitments and work responsibilities to get on with. Unlike the runners, not everyone has the luxury of choosing how they spend their Sunday.

As for the notice of road closure and entrapment that we received only yesterday, two and a half weeks is inadequate and unreasonable as it's far too late for most people to change personal arrangements or work rotas now. Their sheer, callous impertinence is unbelievable.

In fact, is such short notice to residents for such blatantly commercial frivolity actually legal, does anyone know? It's not as if there is anything important or any emergency involved.



Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on August 21, 2014, 03:39:06 PM
Sutton - you raise an interesting point there about the notice period.  I would suspect that they leave the bare minimum so that fewer people have a chance to lodge an objection in advance of the closures.

I will indeed keep fighting this battle.  Like you and other residents who find the closures at best inconvenient and at worst, as I do, an infringement of my liberty I believe that the race should be stopped.  Even more so since your comment about the stinginess of Purple Patch and the little benefit to the borough. 

Gazetta - you may have offered to steward, that is very kind of you, but may I suggest that if you don't want to be shouted at by people who would like to access their houses, hobbies and in some cases businesses or just want to go about their normal day to day weekend lives but can't then you may like to think about 'unvolunteering'.

And before the 'mods' try to tell me off for being threatening, I am not doing so, merely pointing out that human nature being what it is there may be a certain amount of 'shoutiness'.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Aries on August 21, 2014, 04:40:54 PM

I put an entry on cookham.com some time ago about this year's Purple Patch run.  But It really is time for other parts of Maidenhead & Windsor to have their share of the delights of 3000 runners enjoying themselves running along closed public highways.

But seriously, Cookham has had multiple road closures over the past 12 months (flooding & road works) over long periods.  Give us a break for a few years please!

This year's precise route can downloaded from:


    http://www.purplepatchrunning.com/images/stories/purplepatchrunning/Races/PMHM_RACEROUTE.pdf (http://www.purplepatchrunning.com/images/stories/purplepatchrunning/Races/PMHM_RACEROUTE.pdf)


If anybody wants to take up this issue with the Council, is is very easy to set up an online petition via the following link:


      http://petitions.rbwm.gov.uk/ (http://petitions.rbwm.gov.uk/)


However, bear in mind that there were over 3000 runners last year and runners & cyclists can be very vocal in getting their own way.


For the moment - let them enjoy this year's race BUT please arrange for something different for 2015.........





Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Merlin on August 25, 2014, 01:50:12 PM
I totally agree with Aries.

It really is time that Cookham got relief from the incessant road closures that
have been imposed on us - both naturally and courtesy of the Council through
various road works and, more irritatingly, channelling runners and cyclists through the village.

Last year it wasn't till late afternoon that the road restrictions were lifted because
of stragglers.

It's time the runners and cyclists were streamed through Maidenhead for the next few years.
RWMB councillors - take note.
Re-election takes place again in a couple of years time ...


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 25, 2014, 04:26:35 PM
Why can't they run across the green route from Strande Lane to  Maidenhead  ???


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: brillo on August 25, 2014, 04:56:54 PM
Its only for three hours once a year,
try stopping moaning for that long or I will nominate you for the iced bucket challenge !!!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 25, 2014, 05:04:33 PM
Is your access blocked Brillo  ???



Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: brillo on August 25, 2014, 05:16:52 PM
No but three hours once a year with plenty of notice would not bother me, some of the members of this forum would moan about anything !!!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 25, 2014, 05:28:27 PM
As Sutton pointed out we had two weeks notice and according to the notice it is 9.00 to 12.00 if there are stragglers the closure will be longer than 12.00. They get to the roads that are being closed by 8.30 if you go out you can't get back in till well after 12.00


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: localmum on August 25, 2014, 05:35:19 PM
It is one morning, once a year, with loads of notice.  Not sure why people find it such a problem to move their cars out of the closed roads (yes, mine is one of them) before 9 and park somewhere nearby if they will need to drive somewhere that Sunday morning?  

This is usually a lovely event with a really nice atmosphere and lots of local people out cheering along the route - I'll be a marshal again.  Have to say though, I was surprised the first year they ran it to see the route didn't go through Summerleaze land and the farmland around where the Green Way runs as that would be prettier - presumably the landowners were not prepared to give adequate access to make the route safe and accessible.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 25, 2014, 05:40:37 PM
I am glad you think two weeks is loads of notice.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: parasol on August 26, 2014, 01:47:55 AM
Personally, I enjoy not having cars racing up and down outside the house for 3 hours once a year....


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: localmum on August 26, 2014, 08:38:48 AM
The race date has been available for half a year, and was assuming the route would remain the same so have had a good idea about this for a long time.  But even if I hadn't looked the race date up, two weeks is plenty of notice to work out where I would put the car if I needed to drive somewhere that morning.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Charlie on August 26, 2014, 11:37:34 AM
I have to say I find some of the comments here incredibly self-serving, with some people who have chosen to become involved in the run behaving just like the organisers and RBWM and giving no thought or care to other people's lives and needs.

Not every one of the hundreds of people badly affected by this commercial set-up has anywhere legal and convenient to park anywhere close to their home on the closed route, or is able bodied enough to walk back and forth if they do, or is willing to get up by 8.30am on a well-earned Sunday off (why should they lose sleep or be inconvenienced?), or even has time in their busy lives to second guess what other people might be choosing to do to inconvenience them and their neighbours six months in advance. Or is willing to be imprisoned in their homes for at least half a day without even being asked if they have any objections, which is the root of what most people are complaining about. Isn't this supposed to be a free country?

Other than the handful of people who have become involved with this fiasco, Cookham has had enough. If an online petition is opened to stop this, as someone suggested, I get the feeling it will receive massive support.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: The Baglady on August 26, 2014, 01:04:53 PM
Unfortunately not all of us have the luxury of not working on a Sunday or have cars that we can move to other locations to collect later .Some have vans full of tools / stock that can't just be abandoned , un attended in another road until we need to go out. Not only that why should the residents of the roads you put your cars in be inconvenienced aswell. I'm all for people having a hobby but not when it encroaches on other people.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Bagheera on August 26, 2014, 06:26:34 PM
just remember I am only doing my job.
That was the excuse of members of the SS. Like them, you have volunteered to do that job.

I am not for a moment suggesting you are a Nazi, simply pointing out that your reasoning is flawed.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: anna_banana on August 26, 2014, 07:34:15 PM
Wow Bagheera.

You might need to rethink that badly thought out post.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: cookhamite on August 26, 2014, 08:08:36 PM
Here here Brillo, it's abit tiresome to see the same people complaining about the road closure as they did last year. How great it is that the run wants to come through our lovely village once again and I can't believe that anyone can consider that they are "inconvenienced" for a few hours ONCE a year, and all in aid of charity. Hope the runners get a good turn out this year, good weather and Welcome to Cookham.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Winter on August 26, 2014, 08:19:49 PM
I also hope it goes well and look forward to cheering on the runners. I had a quick look back at recent topics and it seems some people who live here do not like cyclists coming through the village, fireworks at Cliveden or the Gravity Grand Prix. What a miserable bunch!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Bagheera on August 27, 2014, 01:21:41 AM
Wow Bagheera.

You might need to rethink that badly thought out post.

I think it is Gazetta whose views are badly thought out. The fact remains that they have volunteered to do a job which prevents people from lawfully and peacefully proceeding to and from their homes.

Generally, I am not sympathetic with those who complain about disruption. The Gravity Grand Prix ensure access is available between runs so any disruption is a couple of minutes, not several hours. I also have little sympathy for those who buy a house in School Lane then complain that there is a school there!

My objection is that it is imposed on those affected without consent and it is not something they could have foreseen when they bought their homes. It does not affect me but I do, for example, know people who live in Mill Lane and would have to leave their car somewhere like High Road if they wanted to get out of the village.  It is not a minor inconvenience for such a person.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: anna_banana on August 27, 2014, 08:13:51 AM
Bagheera

Please don't put words into my mouth. I thought it was plain that I was referring to your silly remarks and not about anyone else's posts.

Back to the topic. Since you have stated that it doesn't affect you, I'm not sure why you feel the need to get so outraged on other peoples behalf.

I happen to live on mill lane. You can't have studied the route in any great detail as I don't need to park my car on high road, swing a right and I'll pop it 100m up by the high street.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Bagheera on August 27, 2014, 09:00:26 AM
Since you have stated that it doesn't affect you, I'm not sure why you feel the need to get so outraged on other peoples behalf.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak outó
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak outó
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outó
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for meóand there was no one left to speak for me.

You are not affected because you do not want access on the day.  I am not affected because I do not live along the route.

But I choose to stand by those who are affected because it is wrong that they should have this imposed on them simply because a large group of people decide they want to do it.

I hope it never will happen to me but if it does then I hope those I speak out for today will speak out for me then.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Merlin on August 27, 2014, 09:35:51 AM
Brillo and his/her compatriots, as usual in these matters, miss the point entirely.

Sure, they (and those self centred "performers") revel in the excitement of seeing runners and cyclists pour into
and through Cookham from all parts in pursuit of THEIR (and the "performers) self-satisfaction, naturally without
giving a moment's thought for others who are blighted and might be affected - albeit for 3 PLUS hours.

The point is this - Why ALWAYS Cookham?

Why not channel the run/cycle route elsewhere in the RBWM wards, and perhaps vary it from year to year.
This would not only relieve the unnecessary inconvenience to one particular part of the
community BUT ALSO afford others in other communities to enjoy the delights of gawking
and cheering on the runners and cyclists through THEIR roads - emptied of their cars, of course!

This is NOT a moan or a beef or a gripe.
It is a direct criticism of RBWM committees and their mindless thought process of
"Ah ... Let's push this latest run/cyclathon through Cookham - they won't mind it, and it's been done before ...."

It happens year in and year out - and it's time it stopped.

There are several and countless other green routes and roads in the community that these "funathons"
(for some) can take place - move them there for others to enjoy and then later criticise in turn, as it finally gets beyond a joke.

PS - Love the Cliveden fireworks (and I have dogs)... love the Whacky Races (Gravity Grand Prix) - was a founder member and participant.

So yeah - it's not all gloom and doom - but definitive criticism of specifics.

MOVE THE RUN ELSEWHERE NEXT YEAR.



Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: EUWAVE on August 27, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
As I started this post I feel I should point out a very salient fact. Merlin says why always Cookham, well it is not all about Cookham. This is a half Marathon, which is just over 13 miles long. Google map calculates the route through Cookham where the closures are taking place is less than 2 miles. That means the other 11 miles have nothing to do with Cookham, over 85% of the race is run somewhere else and I have not heard anyone else complaining.

When I was in Maidenhead yesterday I saw several notices about road closures for this event quoting closure times of between 7am and 2.30pm, unlike the 9am to 12pm for Cookham.  That means other people have closures of seven and a half hours as opposed to the 3 hours for local closures. I agree with other posts about this run, if one feels so strongly against it then donít wait until it comes around again next year and then start complaining, be proactive and do something about it now.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Roger on August 27, 2014, 11:23:11 AM
If I remember rightly last year the people on Maidenhead Road in Maidenhead complained like mad about the closures.

I do think rotating the course around would be a good idea, it means different people can be involved when it comes to their area and people are inconvenienced less often. I am sure the organisers keep the same route because it is easier to do the same thing each year.

If people feel strongly an e-petition can be set up on the RBWM website.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: EUWAVE on August 27, 2014, 11:37:30 AM
That is basically what I am saying. Rather than sit around until the race comes back next year do something about it now. If you donít then you have no right to complain next year.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Purple Patch Running on August 27, 2014, 12:01:57 PM
Dear Cookham Residents.

Please note that this year, after a suggestion by Cookie last year, we have instigated a new system for all roads affected by the closure between the roundabout at the Pound and the railway bridge at the end of Maidenhead Road.  There will be two motor bikes escorts patrolling this stretch of the route.  Anyone wishing to leave just needs to wait at the end of their road and the motor bike will escort them to the roundabout at the Pound where they can then head up Station Hill.  Residents returning would need to approach the Pound via Station Hill and wait for the motor bike.  They will then be escorted back to their road.  We hope that this will make a big difference to those that live on that stretch of the route.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Cookie on August 27, 2014, 01:36:54 PM
Thanks for that, but can you please clarify which roundabout you mean - There is one at each end of the pound.
Or, to put it another way, will this allow people living on The Pound to get in and out by car?


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Purple Patch Running on August 27, 2014, 03:30:29 PM
Sorry - I should have been clearer - I meant the roundabout at the junction of Poundfield Lane, Station Hill and Maidenhead Road.  Unfortunately the Pound will be closed to traffic until 12 noon.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 27, 2014, 04:08:36 PM
Just one question, if a driver decides  he/she is going to drive out regardless of closure of their road, what happens, are they arrested, fined or anything else that they could throw at them.  :o


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: anon on August 27, 2014, 04:37:57 PM
My understanding is that (i) any signs not approved by the Department of Transport can be ignored and (ii) only a police officer is empowered to direct traffic.

So, yes, it would appear that you are able to ignore the warnings completely.

On the flip side though, marshals may reserve the right to take your down your licence plate and forward it to the relevant authorities. (This is the approach lollipop-people have to take.) I'm not sure what action they could take though, unless your actions were putting folk in danger.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 27, 2014, 05:43:17 PM
Thank you for that anon  :)


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Showem on August 28, 2014, 11:54:21 AM
I would think that an organisation who go to the trouble of signing onto this forum specifically to tell all the complainers of how they have found a workaround for those who might be inconvenienced deserve more thanks than they have received. Certainly more grace than discussing loopholes in the law to allow them to disrupt the event. 


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 28, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
Iwasn't looking for a loophole in the law it was just a general question ???


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Merlin on August 29, 2014, 09:38:58 AM
I would think that an organisation who go to the trouble of signing onto this forum specifically to tell all the complainers of how they have found a workaround for those who might be inconvenienced deserve more thanks than they have received. Certainly more grace than discussing loopholes in the law to allow them to disrupt the event.  


Thank you Purple Patch Running for giving us all a workaround plan.

(PS - Does that sit well with you Showem ? )

NOW - Purple Patch Running  ....

please ensure that your run is moved away from Cookham next year in order to give us some much needed respite.


As you will have noticed, there is a definite general unrest amongst quite a few of the inhabitants on the plantation about the
disruptions caused.

Thank You.




Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: BioTappedIn on August 29, 2014, 11:51:44 AM
Just to bring some balance.

I think the race is great, it blocks off our road but we can work around it. 

Please don't change the route

Looking forward to cheering on the runners  :)


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Purple Patch Running on August 29, 2014, 12:15:45 PM
Hi - just to quickly say again we do apologise for the inconvenience and welcome positive ideas to minimise future disruption.  Also just to clarify that the road closures are legal closures under Section 16a Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and contravening them would be breaking the law and the Police would be called.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: windymiller on August 29, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
Another vote from me in support of the race, despite my road being one of the blocked ones, and having no involvement other than as an mildly-interested spectator (ie - I'll probably pop out for 5 minutes to have a look).


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: smokey1 on August 29, 2014, 02:34:39 PM
I have read with interst all the comments about the half marathon and road closures. We knew this would happen last year, it is an annual event and well supported by the runners, many of whom are running for charities. Can I just says that it is not just Cookham who are affected but many roads in and around Maidenhead itself. So just for a few hours once a year I am sure we can cope. On the other hand, a suggestion for Purple Patch, could the event be held in rotation with other areas in Berkshire, the runners may like a change of scenery.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Magpie on August 29, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Purple Patch who organise the event are a commercial company but the event does raise many thousands of pounds each year through sponsorship of runners.
It is a bit of inconvenience but community events such as this are part of what makes Cookham such a great place to live.  I could understand peoples negativity if this was a weekly event but once a year?
Long may it continue!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 29, 2014, 03:17:04 PM
I think most people agree that they raise money etc but it would be nice if they moved it around a bit, perhaps, White Waltham, Woodlands Park, to have a rota for the routes so that the same location isn't used every year. It would also give the runners a different route to run. Just a suggestion  ::)


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: cookhamite on August 29, 2014, 08:22:01 PM
Purple Patch Running, as you can see it is a very small minority in Cookham who can't find it in themselves to support your event and all the money it raises. I hope you will be running this route for many years to come and that your runners meet the many of us who welcome you to the village and will cheer you on. The more events like this the better to bring life and fun to the village. Anyone can organise themselves around these events if they want to


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 29, 2014, 10:34:46 PM
I was born and have lived in Cookham for 73 years so don't tell me to organise my life around a running event. ???


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Dragonman on August 29, 2014, 10:57:36 PM
I guess my plimsole remark did not go down well! So I tell you what. Use Ascot race course and run around it ten times. Even invite the bookmakers to run a charity book!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Merlin on August 30, 2014, 12:35:06 PM
Purple Patch Running, as you can see it is a very small minority in Cookham who can't find it in themselves to support your event ....
 Anyone can organise themselves around these events if they want to

"A minority" ...?!!  So says the cookhamite after his straw poll selective count ... !!
Yeah, thanks for that!

Again, like Monty, I too have lived in the Cookhams for several years and I would
take serious exception to someone telling me to "organise myself around these events" ...

I do like and welcome the idea of moving this "event" to Ascot Racecourse.
Stack the place with the groupies and the sightseers, feed them burgers and beer, bring in the bookies,
take half the bookies share for the various charities and everyone is then satisfied...


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: lancelot on August 30, 2014, 01:37:58 PM

Purple Patch - thanks for helping some of our residents, but you and those now benefitting must remember that this concession far from covers everyone - there are plenty of Cookham people who are still affected by road closure and need our support to alleviate their situation. Therefore, will you please do the same for every resident on the route next year? Or better still, take the run somewhere else from now on and give us all a break?

We have put up with this inconvenience for far too long and there now has to be a compromise for everyone.

Reading the postings and talking to local people, the most basic reasons for irritation and indignation seem to be because people are being told what they can and can't do and are inconvenienced against their will, which surely goes against the rights and instincts of everyone in the human race? And despite what a handful of supporters are saying here, this is not a Cookham event, or even one for Cookham's benefit. Cookham is just used - or abused as many residents feel. The Henley marathon was stopped because it was a nuisance and caused the majority of residents far more aggravation than pleasure and, noticing the reduced number of onlookers here last year, it would appear that most people in Cookham feel the same. The use of Cookham must have made Purple Patch a substantial sum of money, and its time this privilege was reciprocated.

I would therefore like to make a suggestion to Purple Patch which might hopefully at last give some consolation and make peace between Cookham and Purple Patch.

Will you assist every single resident regarding access/egress as you have done for those in Maidenhead Road, and donate £2,000 pa to our main Cookham charities, the Cookham Society and the Spencer Gallery (in turn) for every year you use Cookham as a route - starting in Sept 2014?

This sum is a pittance to a commercial organisation and at least it might help alleviate some of the anger and resentment that many people feel, who believe that Purple Patch is repeatedly taking from Cookham and giving nothing in return. And this ongoing income will be used on some true Cookham projects which have the potential to benefit and/or give pleasure to every resident, not just the minority who enjoy watching a few runners once a year.

So how about it, Purple Patch? You are supposedly charitable, so it's now time to start directing some of that charity to those you affect. Please give Cookham something back.



Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on August 30, 2014, 07:06:48 PM
Thank you Lancelot for a wonderful suggestion it may help to alleviate some of the frustration of residents inconvenienced by this race.  ::) and I know that some people think we are a miserable lot but we are entitled to our opinion as well.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Cookie on August 31, 2014, 01:18:21 PM
Excellent idea, Lancelot. What a simple solution. At least the village would get something back.
On balance I'd still prefer that the route was altered to avoid road closures. We have lots of green space in the area, and running on grass is so much kinder to leg joints than pounding tarmac - Believe me, I should know!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: anon on September 01, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
Here's a link to the legislation to which Purple Patch Running is referring in a previous post by them:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/section/16A

Note in particular clause (3): "Before making an order under this section the authority shall satisfy themselves that it is not reasonably practicable for the event to be held otherwise than on a road."

I'm also unsure that (9) has been satisfied: "but no such order shall be made with respect to any road which would have the effect of preventing at any time access for pedestrians to any premises situated on or adjacent to the road, or to any other premises accessible for pedestrians from, and only from, the road"

In my opinion these have not been adequately considered and could form the basis of a legal challenge.

I'm also unsure that notification has been sufficient. In particular at least one of the signs has become detached: one of the improperly fixed signs is on the approach to the Pound from the railway line, I conject this could be a safety issue with possible confusion being caused on race-day at a critical section of a public highway so close to a level crossing.

My personal support for this event is neutral. The purpose of this post is to provide balance against a corporation that occasionally seems to justify their bullying actions by masquerading as a charity.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Bob on September 01, 2014, 10:29:26 AM
Interesting reading, anon.  Apart from all the residents affected, it is unacceptable that pubs and other business should be cut off. Even their usual lunch bookings from noon would be unsafe as the run drags on, so they must be losing business.

In the meantime, Lancelot's suggestion may help calm troubled waters as residents will at least feel that something is coming back for Cookham's benefit on a regular basis, so let's give Purple Patch a chance to show us just how charitable they are.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on September 01, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
Purple Patch - it would appear that you are trying to help with access for some residents, for which we are grateful.  However, I too back those who say vary the route and give us a year off now and again.  As a one off event, fine, OK not happy that my civil liberty to move around and go about my business is restricted, but for a year could put up with it.  However, it wasn't a one off was it?  And now from what I see in the Advertiser you are planning to do it again next year with a 'gold number' for anyone who has taken/is taking part in all 5 races.

And Cookham isn't getting a great deal out of the 1/2 marathon.  So how about another route suggestion - the Drift Road?  It's nice and wide, so would accommodate lots of runners easily, doesn't lock hundreds of people into or out of their homes and would give us in Cookham a rest.

If you really must insist on upsetting residents in Cookham (and Maidenhead Road) again next year then I think it is about time that you started making some pretty healthy donations to charities yourselves, rather than relying on your paying runners to do so.  As someone else suggested the Cookham Society would be a good start, and if you asked I'm sure that there are other local causes that would be put forward as candidates.  By 'pretty health donations' I would suggest a percentage of the profit that you must make from this event - say 25% minimum?  To show that you really do care for the communities that you upset each year.  Also, perhaps a contribition towards business losses arising from the event too - there are more than just restaurants and pubs operating on a Sunday morning - perhaps another 25% split between those with a genuine claim based on the actual time that the road is closed, not the anticipated time.

And, another thing - it has come to my attention today that there are people in Maidenhead who won't be able to get to their place of worship unless they walk.  Now I'm a big advocate of avoiding the car if at all possible, but for some folk, particularly the elderly or disabled walking isn't practical. So what do the organisers have to say about that - depriving people of their chance to go to church on what is supposed to be our holy day?


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on September 02, 2014, 08:26:52 PM
Thanks for that Paris. a donation to Elisabeth House would be good.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Showem on September 02, 2014, 11:05:25 PM
Dear Purple Patch,

Please come every year, ignore the few complainers!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Merlin on September 03, 2014, 09:13:41 AM
Anyone else on here notice Purple Patch's absence in responding to
Lancelot and Paris's call to donate a fixed percentage of their gross
takings from this disruptive "fun run" thing?

They have been PDQ to respond in the past - 3 hours and 2 hours
respectively last week, to make clarifications and address points of order
regarding the run - however, approaching them to donate 25 percent of their
ill-gotten gains towards a couple of charities benefitting Cookham - and voila ...
they mysteriously disappear from our screens for 4 days!

Funny that!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on September 03, 2014, 10:31:40 AM
showem - the complainers are becoming more noticeable year on year, we're not a bunch of whingers just ordinary citizens who don't like having our movements curtailed by something that neither we nor the village gain anything from.  Unlike the Gravity Grand Prix where potentially any one of us could benefit if we are unfortunate enough to have to call on their services.

I too have noticed that Purple Patch appear to have disappeared from the thread - well pointed out Merlin - since the proposals that they put their hands in their pockets and help the communities that they are disrupting.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Bagheera on September 03, 2014, 11:29:39 AM
Here's a link to the legislation to which Purple Patch Running is referring in a previous post by them:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/section/16A

Note in particular clause (3): "Before making an order under this section the authority shall satisfy themselves that it is not reasonably practicable for the event to be held otherwise than on a road."

I'm also unsure that (9) has been satisfied: "but no such order shall be made with respect to any road which would have the effect of preventing at any time access for pedestrians to any premises situated on or adjacent to the road, or to any other premises accessible for pedestrians from, and only from, the road"

In my opinion these have not been adequately considered and could form the basis of a legal challenge.

I'm also unsure that notification has been sufficient. In particular at least one of the signs has become detached: one of the improperly fixed signs is on the approach to the Pound from the railway line, I conject this could be a safety issue with possible confusion being caused on race-day at a critical section of a public highway so close to a level crossing.

My personal support for this event is neutral. The purpose of this post is to provide balance against a corporation that occasionally seems to justify their bullying actions by masquerading as a charity.
Subsection (8) says, "When considering the making of an order under this section, an authority shall have regard to the safety and convenience of alternative routes suitable for the traffic which will be affected by the order. "

The "authority" for this purpose is the Highway Authority - i.e. RBWM.

My suggestion would be that those affected who have no safe and convenient alternative available should complain to RBWM, and, if necessary, to the Local Government Ombudsman that this regulation has not been complied with.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Magpie on September 03, 2014, 02:28:51 PM
However, my suggestion will be to all of you who enjoy this event being in Cookham to also make representation to RBWM to ensure a balanced view is given.  We don't want RBWM thinking the whole village is against this event.

RBWM do not allow road closures to take place without full consideration and plans to minimise disruption.  In giving their approval they consider Purple Patch to have been reasonable in the closures requested and part of that is in light of the overall community benefit and the fact disruption is for only a few hours once a year.

A point of clarification - Purple Patch is a commercial organisation that puts on running based events very professionally and successfully.  They have never claimed to be a charity, however, many of their events raise charitable funds via participant sponsorship. I know money has been raised for local charities because I ran it 2 years ago for the Link Foundation that helps families in this area ie Cookham and Maidenhead.  The local good causes mentioned would be an excellent cause to run for - why not run next year and raise funds that way!



Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on September 03, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
RBWM do not allow road closures to take place without full consideration and plans to minimise disruption.  In giving their approval they consider Purple Patch to have been reasonable in the closures requested and part of that is in light of the overall community benefit and the fact disruption is for only a few hours once a year.

What is the overall benefit to our community?  Have I missed something, I don't think we've ever got anything out of this?  Hence the request that PPR put their hands in their pockets and give someting back, especially to the businesses who suffer.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on September 03, 2014, 03:30:57 PM
It may be 'only once a year' but I object being blocked in my road told if I want to go out to park my car elsewhere, I am not sure where I could park it that's not going to cause annoyance to other residents.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: lancelot on September 03, 2014, 07:27:29 PM
Sorry, Monty - I was trying to keep the suggestion of a £2,000 a year donation very simple, referring to the Cookham Society and Spencer Gallery as the two main charities which are very specific to Cookham. However, I agree that Elizabeth House is also important because it will hopefully benefit us all, or at least someone in our family, and should take its turn.

But the silence is deafening.
 


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Magpie on September 03, 2014, 08:43:33 PM
Benefit to the community?
In two ways - as I mentioned lots of runners from this and many similar events are sponsored and this covers charities that have a profound impact on cookham. The air ambulance, hospices and childrens charities such as the link foundation all receive money and are there for cookham residents when needed.
The second way is part of the cookham community. Events like this, the gravity GP, rock the moor, Xmas fayre, regatta, fireworks are all events that bring the community together and are enjoyed by many from the village and outside. Every event inconveniences a few people but the community overall benefits by bringing people together, raising funds for good causes and giving the place a bit of life!
Therefore, given these considerations, my view is that the community overall benefits and the inconvenience is minor, short lived (a couple of hours) and occasional (once a year)


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on September 03, 2014, 09:05:33 PM
All the events you mentioned Magpie do not involve closing road and access. It is only this event that closes roads  ???


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on September 04, 2014, 10:49:23 AM
Well said Magpie.

And yes, the runners may be raising money through their endeavours, but there's still nothing to stop the organisers putting their hands in their pockets and giving something back to the communities that they are inconveniencing.  Yes, it may only be a few hours, but when those few hours are taken away from hard working people who only have two days off, then that, to my mind at least is not acceptable.  It smacks very much of 'my need is greater than yours', well we're all put on this planet together and to my way of thinking my time is just as important as anyone elses, so no as I have said before I am not happy at having my leisure time organised for me by road closures curtailing my movements.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Ellie on September 04, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
This snub from Purple Patch is the last straw.

Some of us rather foolishly (i.e. having faith in human nature and compassion) actually believed that Purple Patch might have been seeking a way to build a better relationship with Cookham inhabitants after years of very justified complaints - but it seems not, as they are ignoring people's suggestions for some very quick and easy ways of doing so.

A cheque takes just a moment to write, and a £2,000 donation to one of Cookham's charities each year would be a small gesture, but one that could go a long way towards making good after we've suffered years of their bullying tactics. And if they can help the people of Maidenhead Road get their cars in and out on Sunday, why not do the same for everyone who is still being inconvenienced? Bear in mind that some are silent here because they don't have a computer.

Purple Patch - the fact that you have not responded when you were offered this opportunity tells us even more than we suspected about your company and its ethics. We are sick to death of being used as your cash cow, especially as you have such callous disrespect for what WE want and how WE wish or need to spend our Sunday. We ALL want free access to our homes AND through the central route through our village via The Pound. This is the very backbone of Cookham, and the main artery through which everyone needs to travel to get from one end of the parish to the other and to drive out of Cookham over the Thames. It's our village and you have no moral right to tell us what we can or cannot do in it even for a minute, let alone for half a day.

If Cookham is a beautiful place, it is because generations of villagers looked after it well and kept it this way as their home. They haven't done it for the benefit of any outside commercial organisation who may decide to grab the chance to take it over whenever they see fit, making vast profits out of our heritage - and all at the cost of residents' inconvenience, to add insult to injury. Not surprisingly, this thread clearly shows you have more than outstayed your welcome here, even with some who may once have supported you.

PURPLE PATCH - AS MANY RESIDENTS ARE TELLING YOU ON COOKHAM.COM AND ELSEWHERE, YOU ARE NOW EVEN LESS WELCOME THAN EVER IN COOKHAM. PLEASE TAKE YOUR *EVENT* AS FAR AWAY FROM COOKHAM AS POSSIBLE NEXT YEAR - AND DON'T BOTHER TO COME BACK!!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on September 04, 2014, 09:05:14 PM
Well said Ellie - thanks - from one who is ' confined to barracks' on Sunday ???


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on September 05, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
Brilliant message Ellie.  You have summed the whole situation up extremely well.

Just hope that Purple Patch and RBWM take note.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Magpie on September 05, 2014, 01:45:37 PM
Ellie, Monty and Paris
I honestly feel so sorry for you guys that you can be so worked up and negative about a fun run for a couple of hours once a year. The fact that it raises thousands of pounds for good causes benefitting local people and it's a really good fun event is ignored.
I think your criticisms of purple patch have become personal and are in danger of crossing the line. Whether you agree with this event or not they have followed all the rules with RBWM in putting on this event and have done so each year. By all means complain to RBWM about the closures but having a go at a small business that organises running events that so many people enjoy is a bit mean. I don't think it is purple patch who are doing any bullying.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Bagheera on September 05, 2014, 03:09:49 PM
Events like this
....
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the gravity GP
is different because the marshalls will clear the course for vehicles to pass
Quote
rock the moor
is different because is it on Marsh Meadow involves no road closures
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Xmas fayre
Can be bypassed along school lane
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and therefore does not precvent access
regatta[/quote] is also different because it is on Marsh Meadow and involves no road closures./
Quote
fireworks
On set of fireworks is on Formosa Meadow and involves no road closures.  The other is at Cookham Dean and prevents access to a strip of road less than 100 metres long that can still be accessed from either side.


I don't think it is purple patch who are doing any bullying.

You may not but:

just to clarify that the road closures are legal closures under Section 16a Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and contravening them would be breaking the law and the Police would be called.

Looks like, quacks like.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Winter on September 05, 2014, 06:50:10 PM
I'll be making sure RBWM know that I support the event. I encourage others to do the same, to balance the negative views.

Good luck to the runners and to Purple Patch, I'll be on the causeway cheering you on.

Winter


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: cookhamite on September 05, 2014, 08:53:23 PM
Magpie and Winter, the moaning is repeated by the same few people. It has already been reported that it is one of the best supported races in the area so I am sure there will be plenty of cheering from the majority of friendly folk in Cookham and along the rest of the route. For those who get so worked up over it maybe it would be a good idea to take up running to reduce the blood pressure and join in the fun next year! It's nearly upon us so let's see what the next moan is.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on September 05, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
Oh get a life I hate being shut in x


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: sandyb on September 06, 2014, 11:01:27 AM

Shut in Monty, bit dramatic I think, you  can get out of your front door , anybody would  think  you  were under siege, its once a year and I am one who  realise very much on car or else I wouldn't be able to go anyway but a couple hours on Sunday morning as I say once a year is it such  a big deal.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: sandyb on September 06, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Meant relies  on previous post not realise !!!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on September 06, 2014, 06:33:21 PM
SandyB you can amend your posts rather than writing a new one by going into the original one and clicking on Modify.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: sandyb on September 06, 2014, 06:39:05 PM

Thank you.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Gazzetta on September 07, 2014, 07:13:03 AM
I'm just off to work to close the roads.   Thank you Cookham for all of your support.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Merlin on September 07, 2014, 10:45:55 AM
EIGHT DAYS .... and still no response from the Purple Patch Puppets.

Strange that ....

One wonders how much Purple Patch are raking in for "organising" other people
to run across terrain and roads that clearly causes discomfort to many other people - but NOT themselves.
Most ironic! Collecting pots of money for basically handing out numbers, ticking boxes and coercing RBWM committees .....

And when they're asked for a small donation to a Cookham Charity -

A RESOUNDING SILENCE.

Carry on chaps - enjoy this little fun-run ... rest assured the RBWM will be receiving
a petition within this week to stop this charade - at least temporarily - starting next year.

I cannot see any harm whatsoever in requesting the RBWM to move this particular run  
to another part of the Borough (RBWM is, after all, roughly 60 square miles in size!)

PS - Grateful thanks to Purple Patch for staying silent !!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Bagheera on September 07, 2014, 01:34:23 PM

I cannot see any harm whatsoever in requesting the RBWM to move this particular run  
to another part of the Borough (RBWM is, after all, roughly 60 square miles in size!)
Like keeping the MAIDENHEAD Half Marathon in MAIDENHEAD, rather Cookham perhaps?


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: parasol on September 07, 2014, 05:40:04 PM
So did you all survive?  Runners and the imprisoned?


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: monty on September 07, 2014, 05:52:41 PM
Except one angry son who came to see me unexpectedly and was stopped at every means on the road to visit. He came down the Windsor road by the station no notices that roads were closed for the event. It took him over half and hour to find a way round to get to Lightlands Lane. He was not a happy bunny when he eventually got here. If I had known he was coming I would have warned him no access.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Sutton on September 07, 2014, 06:19:36 PM
Well done, Merlin. Will you publicise where we can all sign?

Monty's son wasn't the only non-resident who had problems. Others are saying the road closures were not publicised properly or fully explained on the council website, so there may also be a legal argument.

But then, organising this efficiently with consideration for residents and public can't be half as much fun as raking in all the cash.



Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: parasol on September 08, 2014, 12:27:15 AM
I'm not unsympathetic - luckily I had no need to drive anywhere and on the plus side it was nice to meet and chat to neighbours who had come out to watch and encourage the joggers. (Sorry, runners). So I won't be signing the petition.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on September 08, 2014, 10:52:58 AM
Survived - but still not happy.  Will be taking my complaint further.  I still fail to see why a 'Maidenhead' event has to shut down most of Cookham for 3 hours.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Gazzetta on September 08, 2014, 12:38:48 PM
There really are a few kill joys contributing to this site.   Yes I accept a few people were inconvienced for a 3 hours but isnt it fabulous to encourage more visitors to Cookham ?  More revenue for local businesses etc etc.  My wife arrived home from work around 3pm and was delayed because of an Open Garden event.   But thats ok because its purely local I assume.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Bagheera on September 08, 2014, 01:45:27 PM
It seems to me that those who are complaining are not seeking to stop you doing what you want to do, Gazetta. They are simply saying that it should not prevent them from coming and going from their homes if that is what they wish to do.



Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on September 08, 2014, 02:27:56 PM
Thank you Bagheera.  That is it exactly.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Gazzetta on September 08, 2014, 05:34:55 PM
You can very easily leave and enter your house.   You are simply denied vehicle access to some roads for a short period.  Big difference.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on September 09, 2014, 10:57:39 AM
And for some people, that makes all the difference in the world.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: sandyb on September 09, 2014, 12:25:38 PM

I rely on my car to  get from  A to B and as its was my birthday on Sunday (my 71st) I had to  wait until  the afternoon to  celebrate with  family, not the end of the world, I had great pleasure cheering the runners on.

Also it didn't stop an emergency ambulance getting through so if it was a matter of life or death I'm  sure all would have been dealt with very well


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: cookhamite on September 09, 2014, 08:04:36 PM
What a lovely posting Sandyb, arranging your birthday around the event so that you could enjoy both. If only everyone could have such a lovely attitude but hopefully the moaning can now stop until the next 'crisis' to hit the village.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Merlin on September 10, 2014, 09:48:44 AM
It really does amuse me tremendously to read that those who have a serious and very real grievance
against mercenary companies who organise disruptive jogging events for their own gain, are classified
as moaners and "kill joys" on here  - whilst those who portray themselves as the prima donnas and
the self-appointed "guardians of Cookham" on here, when all is said and done, really do not,
give a damn about their fellow community residents and the disruption caused to them.   Funny that ....

A chance to meet your neighbours whilst watching joggers for 3 hours on one Sunday in a year?!!
Heavens above, does it really take a run-past to meet and get chatting to your neighbours?!
The mind boggles at the thought!

By the way, Emergency vehicles have priority over everything, including self-indulgent jogging events.

Gazetta implies "You are simply denied vehicle access to some roads for a short period."
Wrong.
You are denied vehicular access to important ARTERIAL  roads in and out of Cookham.

One friend of mine was denied exiting her house to go and visit her ailing mother by a jobsworth
in a fluorescent yellow jacket. Her house lay 100 yards within a blocked off road, the time was 10am
(the event had only just begun in Maidenhead) yet here was a pompous official denying her exiting her road
just because he could!!  Not a jogger in sight ...!  And this is a fun event??!
She drove out despite his protestations and keenly awaits a summons from her persecutor!

By the way, there is no crisis in this village - as rather crassly suggested by the "cookhamite" -  .  
It is merely that there are those for and those against dragging this jogging beanfeast
through Cookham year in and year out (when it's headlined as a Maidenhead event) by money-making
companies who themselves have no care for the Community they disrupt when plotting their event through it.

Please continue to note Purple Patch's reluctance (11 days) to respond to a request for a charitable contribution
to a couple of bone fide Cookham Charities.

Don't hold your breath.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Gazzetta on September 10, 2014, 12:55:36 PM
I daresay this wont close the matter but I was one of those jobworths and proud of it, albeit in Orange not yellow.   There were two motorcycling marshalls on duty and one of their jobs were to escort residents out through the road closures but I suppose the resident mentioned above was too impatient to wait.   Personally I engaged with the duty manager at Moor Hall to allow his guests to leave before the roads were officially re-opened when there was a big enough gap in the runners, but equally I reported two cars for driving dangerously through the runners and stopped some others from doing likewise.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Dragonman on September 10, 2014, 02:55:56 PM
Now you all hsave had a good moan! Now may I suggest that you bombard the RBWM the same way for the next 12months! Maybe, just maybe it will sink in to those in power that we don't want repeated again!


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Magpie on September 10, 2014, 04:07:15 PM
Thanks Dragonman
I certainly will be emailing RBWM with my support for this excellent community event and urging them to continue supporting it in its current format and route.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Dragonman on September 10, 2014, 05:09:50 PM
To quote our local Bard: "Methinks our Magpie is a Maidenhead Towniepie!"


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Merlin on September 10, 2014, 05:21:22 PM
I daresay this wont close the matter but I was one of those jobworths and proud of it, albeit in Orange not yellow.   There were two motorcycling marshalls on duty and one of their jobs were to escort residents out through the road closures but I suppose the resident mentioned above was too impatient to wait.   Personally I engaged with the duty manager at Moor Hall to allow his guests to leave before the roads were officially re-opened when there was a big enough gap in the runners, but equally I reported two cars for driving dangerously through the runners and stopped some others from doing likewise.

Did being a jobs-worth in your orange vest, controlling traffic, reporting cars and being charitable to Moor Hall
residents make you feel REALLY REALLY important?!

Your insensitive comment (highlighted above) confirms my low opinions about "jobs-worths in orange/yellow jackets" anyway!

I will assume that no one told my friends' mother not to be seriously ill as the roads would be closed to her daughter
 for a gap to develop between groups of joggers ...  (Read my mail - NO JOGGERS WERE IN SIGHT) and that an officious
jobs-worth would hold up her impatient daughter!!  Your words, not mine.



Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Gazzetta on September 10, 2014, 05:52:17 PM
So the condition has deteriorated from ailing to seriously ill?


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Merlin on September 10, 2014, 08:03:46 PM
Ah .... silly me!

There's obviously a difference when it comes to old people who are ailing, which I clearly overlooked.

Precisely my point about jobs-worth's ...
Love the uniform and the strutting about looking (and acting) important ... but a tad blinkered and
overwhelmingly obdurate.

I'm done here.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: wannabe on September 11, 2014, 11:09:08 AM
Just a little point but only Police and Traffic wardens (and I assume road workers with stop/go boards are allowed to direct traffic)


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Paris on September 11, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
It's amazing what powers a Hi-Vis vest can impart to a person . . .


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: localmum on September 11, 2014, 06:52:22 PM
What distressed me (in my bright yellow binbag) at my marshal point was not any drivers during the best part of the race, but the ones who clearly decided that once 12:00 had arrived they would drive down the Maidenhead road at 50mph regardless of the fact that there were still runners in the road - such as the chap collectiong for Ebola charities who was therefore slower than the expected time.  They could just as easily have gone down the Switchback, but obviously felt that as the official closure was over they were practically obligated to drive down there as fast as possible, with as little regard for safty as possible.  The one exception to this was the lovely lady who lived at the halfway houses (and was therefore totally cut off) who still offered to walk back to her house rather than put anyone at risk.  I was worried for the Cookham runners who I saw walking back up the route after they finished their race clearing any litter they found as they went.

From what I saw it was a well supported and fun event as usual.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Gazzetta on September 11, 2014, 08:44:56 PM
Just a little point but only Police and Traffic wardens (and I assume road workers with stop/go boards are allowed to direct traffic)
D

Is that genuinely true ??


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: wannabe on September 12, 2014, 11:03:58 AM
Also  VOSA officers,  Highways Agency Traffic Officers and in Hampshire ...."The public have no lawful powers to direct traffic at planned events. However, Hampshire Constabulary have a scheme event organisers may obtain accreditation for their staff. Accredited staff can then direct traffic on the public highway in strict accordance with the traffic management plan for that event. Please contact Hampshire Constabulary for futher information (at present they do not have a web page about the scheme):
As far as I'm aware TVP don't have such a scheme.



Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: wannabe on September 12, 2014, 11:09:19 AM
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/9990681.WALTHAM_ABBEY__Teen_hero_directs_traffic_for_90_minutes_after_lights_break/ (http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/9990681.WALTHAM_ABBEY__Teen_hero_directs_traffic_for_90_minutes_after_lights_break/)

So it looks like it's not an offence for a person not authorised to direct traffic but you don't commit an offence of not obeying their signals. Bearing in mind of course that they might just be trying to stop you ploughing in to an accident just round the bend...


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Gazzetta on September 12, 2014, 02:09:36 PM
So if somebody drives on a closed road are they not breaking the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984?


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: wannabe on September 12, 2014, 07:55:03 PM
Not too sure I said that anywhere and I wouldn't advocate it either.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: kingfisher on September 15, 2014, 06:16:19 AM
Hey Gazzetta, i bet you're the 6'' 4, built like a brick outhouse sort, the type who ejects young kids from football matches for shouting, 'because you can'......


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: Gazzetta on September 15, 2014, 11:12:17 AM
Nooooo.  6 foot 1 and he deserved it.


Title: Re: Road Closures
Post by: wannabe on September 17, 2014, 06:49:02 AM
 ;D