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Title: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on November 04, 2014, 11:50:11 AM
There is a new 'spec' for resurfacing the bridleway from Cannon Court to Long Lane:

The proposed surface specification is as follows:

1.  Excavate a trench 4m wide, 300mm deep, 420m long between points A and B on the location plan.
2.  Lay and compact 200mm as-dug chalk
3.            Lay and compact with a slight central camber 100mm limestone scalpings, topped with 5mm limestone dust
 
The works are proposed to be undertaken between Mid-July and Mid-August during the cropping window and are expected to take 5 days to complete.

If anyone wishes to comment, the contact is once Andrew Fletcher at RBWM and he needs feedback by 14 November 2014.

Personally, I feel that this is completely out of keeping with the location and does very little to make the bridleway the attractive route it once was for riders in the area.  It looks very much as though passage by farm vehicles is the main objective here and not the reinstatement or safe passage of horses and riders.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: James Hatch on November 04, 2014, 03:19:08 PM
Sorry that won't work! In the days when Edward Chaplin was farm manager at White Place Farm, he got the bright idea that he would paved a cattle walk ways between the milking parlors and the pasture. Right from the start it became a mire as soon as it rained. I wonder who thought up this hair brain scheme?


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Wintery on November 04, 2014, 09:43:24 PM
Thank you Paris for highlighting this.

This has been an ongoing issue for a long time. What a shame our bridleway officer has made no attempt to highlight this latest offering to users involved in the initial consultations. It must be about 1 year since I last heard of the plans to surface the bridleway with wood chippings over tarmac, supposedly to be maintained on an ongoing basis at taxpayers expense. One can only assume the lack of communication on the matter is deliberate. There were lots of objections at the time but nothing more happened and it all went quiet.   

Needless to say I think the latest plans are yet again totally unsuitable as a surface for horses (... and even the supposed cyclists, wheelchairs and pushchairs the council suggested as other valid users.......lets hope they keep the hedge clear of those flapping plastic bags.... my horse might spook).   


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on November 04, 2014, 10:30:11 PM
The situation on this bridleway is going from bad to worse, or the sublime to the ridiculous.

Last year Andrew Fletcher, the highways officer at RMWM, stated that the southern (Canon Court) section of the route would be covered and MAINTAINED with a woodchip surface no less than 5mm in depth. This had to be done as the surface was changed without permission from RBWM. The landowner pleaded ignorance of this issue at the time. He has since been educated.:-\

That was back in the summer of 2012 and in September 2012 I have an email from Andrew Fletcher stating that "following negotiations with the Council then landowner a soft surface was laid over his farm track to make the track easier to use for horse riders. The Council is monitoring the condition of this path and I am seeking views from the users of the bridleway about the new surface"

The surface wore away within a couple of months, as many people predicted and nothing has been done to rectify the situation as was promised. The track resembles a tarmac road.

Now the landowner is seeking permission to resurface the northern (Long Lane) end and RMWM is seeking comments (if you are lucky enough to get included). They state that they have complains about the Long Lane end being muddy. Well what a surprise, a field is muddy! When pushed for evidence, Andrew Fletcher reports the council have had 3 legitimate complaints in the last 14 years about this track, (one every four and a half years), but apparently this is deemed serious enough to squander taxpayers money in the re-surfacing and on-going maintenance of the path.

Horse owners in the area do not have a problem with a muddy track, if we did we wouldn't ride anywhere.

The chalk surface they are considering is one of the most slippery dangerous surfaces they could possibly come up with. It beggars belief.

But the most jaw dropping thing about this whole fiasco is that in my last email from Andrew today he states, "the decision was made to concentrate on the issues experienced along the northern section rather than pursue surfacing of the southern section at this time".

So to summarise, they are ignoring putting the track right that has already been resurfaced incorrectly, and now want to concentrate on spending money on re-surfacing a track that they have had NO complaints about, and everyone is happy with, to a dangerous, out of keeping, and expensive surface.

If anyone believes any of these statements to be invalid, please come forward. If you want to ask the council to explain this turn of events, please contact Andrew Fletcher, Highways Officer, RMWM on Andrew.Fletcher@RBWM.gov.uk



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Merlin on November 05, 2014, 08:18:49 AM
This all sounds so very typical of RBWM council ....
(note, I use a small c as my rating for them registers zero on a scale of zero to 100).

Their mindless ignorance of public concern is staggering and their persistence in doing
things their way is mind blowing.

I too have issues (far too long to bore people on here) with RBWM planning, refuse
and customer services departments ..... and trust me, I seldom, if ever, complain -
but the fact is, they drive my patience to absolute distraction.
Just one case in point - the "Boaties' Bins" on Bell Rope meadow  .... enough said.

I wish you all well with the bridle path ... though I sadly fear for the worst.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on November 05, 2014, 12:10:13 PM
Thank you Merlin.

I very much hope that we will succeed, but in all my years I have seen this particular landowner ride roughshod all over the rules with barely a murmur from the council.  (Like you I don't do them the honour of a capital c because of their ineptitude.)

I also hope that like myself, other local riders who initially got involved in this fight find out about the latest proposal before it is too late.  I, by chance, happened among an email in a little used email account so could easily have missed the opportunity to respond.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on November 06, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
A map of the plan is available at

http://www.cookham.com/images/Cook19-ConsultationMap.pdf (http://www.cookham.com/images/Cook19-ConsultationMap.pdf)

Comments that you might have about this proposal must be in by the 14th November 2014.

If you have any questions or comments contact Andrew Fletcher

Andrew Fletcher
Public Rights of Way Officer
Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead
Town Hall, St. Ives Road, Maidenhead, SL6 1RF
Tel: 01628 796122
Andrew.Fletcher@RBWM.gov.uk


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on December 16, 2014, 10:15:46 AM
The plan has been dropped.

Unfortunately there is no plan to reinstate the bridleway to its original condition, but no further works are to be carried out and it will remain in it's current state.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on February 08, 2015, 11:51:37 AM
Hi all,

Really sorry to have to raise this issue again, believe me I wish the whole sorry episode would be over and done with, but riding the track today, I saw a notice posted on one of the trees alongside the track.

It politely asks walkers and horse riders to stay on the track and protect the crop (fair enough) but then goes on to say.....

"if you would like the north end (Long Lane) end to be upgraded to the same surface as the southern end please send your comments to Andrew Fletcher" and then gives is email address. There is no invitation to voice your comments if you don't want to see it changed, and the use of the word "upgraded" I find to be very misleading, most certainly for horse riders.

I believe the landowner is trying to canvas enough support to hard surface the whole track again, even though this has been expressly forbidden by RBWM.

On past experience if comments for both sides are not sent to Andrew Fletcher, he will argue that the over riding opinion is that there is support to change the surface.

Please, please can you voice your coments, once again to Andrew Fletcher at Andrew.Fletcher@RBWM.gov.uk and let others know.

Many thanks.



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on February 09, 2015, 11:09:31 AM
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.  I agree with you, it would very much appear like someone is trying to pull the wool, especially as there are fewer walker and even riders about at this time of year.  It's a bit difficult to raise a comment if you've not walked or ridden that way owing to the recent cold weather that has kept many people indoors or not riding out.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on March 10, 2015, 10:01:08 AM
My Email previously sent to Mr Fletcher concerning the Bridle Way:

Evening Mr Fletcher,
I have been forward the attached recent proposal in regards to a bridleway affectionately known locally as ’The Pig Track’.
I see there is yet another proposal to change this surface, following another surface not working.

1.            Excavate a trench 4m wide, 300mm deep, 420m long between points A and B on the location plan.

2.            Lay and compact 200mm as-dug chalk

3.            Lay and compact with a slight central camber 100mm limestone scalpings, topped with 5mm limestone dust

I have a concern that not only is the path being widened, but the idea of having a slight camber with the use of limestone scalping’s and limestone dust is potentially dangerous to horses/ riders and walkers. This type of surface will become slippery in the wet winter months and hard under hoof and foot in the summer months.

I understand you are the RBWM’s representative for local bridle ways and public rights of way. Therefore I am rather surprised that a well-known bridle path is allowed to be altered yet again with another proposed experiment.

What happened to good old fashioned dirt, at least this way, the ground would correct itself as nature intended, and provide a natural environment for riders and walkers.

There is no longer a good straight stretch of ground, to allow a safe controlled up-hill ‘canter’ where riders can exercise their horses freely, meaning we are all being pushed of what was a bridle path, to having to use the edge of the farmers field.

I would suggest that the surface would be returned back to its natural state.

In the meantime, should you like to get a feel of what I am imagining this new proposal to feel like under foot, perhaps you would like to walk up the chalk path by Cock Marsh and also the Chalk Pit in Cookham Dean. I believe this would provide you with an idea of what will happen, should this resurfacing be allowed to take place.

I personally would ask the Farmer to return the bridle path / right of way, back to it’s original state, and stop trying to turn it into some form of highway.

Very best regards


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on March 10, 2015, 11:23:26 AM
Good email jumpinjackflash.

This particular landowner, that some of us in the past have been accused of 'bashing' really should know better.  I really do not understand why the council are letting him get away with not only changing the surface to start with (without planning permission) and then taking up so much of their time and council tax payers money by continually attempting to get what he wants by whatever method he chooses.  It is about time the council put their big brave pants on, stood up to him and told him to stop wasting council funds and that he must re-instate the surface as it once was or be held accountable for his actions.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on April 01, 2015, 11:59:07 AM
The council should listen to those that 'vote' them in, and not side with particular land owners.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on April 01, 2015, 12:32:50 PM
Agreed, and have you seen the huge poster that has appeared on that landowner's fence at Cannon Court.  If the person pictured comes knocking on my door I shall be sure to have words (though much good it may do) about what he is being allowed to get away with, and I'm not sure she can count on my vote either!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on April 02, 2015, 08:56:47 AM
Seems I will have to walk my dog and take a look at the poster on the fence, to ensure she does NOT get my vote!..

What I don't understand is, why councillors are not trying to protect the local area. Fields, Paddocks, old farms, buildings are what make Cookham, Cookham-Rise and Cookham-Dean desirable places to live.

Its okay for these land owners to keep building and making their money, because they go move out of the area and go and ruin another corner of the UK. Its us that have to live here with the rubbish they have left standing behind!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Cervantes on April 02, 2015, 01:37:28 PM
Agreed, buildings are put up with no consideration to the character of the area. If work NEEDS to be carried out RBWM should insist designs match existing traditional buildings. I guess most landowners and councillors don't have to look at them everyday so its less of a concern.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Dragonman on April 02, 2015, 05:43:38 PM
Jumpingjackflash wrote: "The council should listen to those that 'vote' them in, and not side with particular land owners." It has happened in the past with what is known as a backhander! As certain people we know will always sweeten the pot to get their way!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on April 27, 2015, 08:31:25 PM
A new notice has been posted on this Bridleway follows.

"Following support from Cookham Parish Council and the local district councillors and not the least, users of the path, the RBWM have recently decided to undertake improvement works  to the North end of the path (Long Lane end). The work will be undertaken in July/August in order that improvements are in place in time for next winter".
It is signed Tom Copas.

I have emailed the Parish council asking if it is true that they supported this scheme, and if so, which councillors voted for it.
Below is the last communication I had from the public rights of way office at RBWM I received on 26th November 2014.

Hello,

Thank you for your response to the recent consultation regarding the proposed resurfacing of Cookham Bridleway 19. After considering the responses to the consultation and weighing up the competing interests in this particular issue the Council has decided that the best approach is to abandon both the surfacing proposal for the northern section of the Bridleway and the woodchip surface for the southern section.

Whilst the proposed harder surface along the northern section of the bridleway will benefit walkers, cyclists, pushchairs and wheelchair users it will adversely affect horse riders who use this bridleway as an important link in the network. Outside of the muddy conditions in winter there has been little demand for an improved surface by the public. With regard to the southern section, this part is used regularly in farming operations and a woodchip proposal would pose increased maintenance liabilities for the Council at a time when public funds are limited. Whilst it does not allow a canter speed the section is still suitable for horse traffic to pass and access is not prevented. Leaving one part capable of handling farm traffic and one part natural it is felt this is an acceptable compromise in this situation.

If you have any questions or would like to discuss this further please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thanks and Best Regards,

Andrew Fletcher
Public Rights of Way Officer
Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead
Town Hall, St. Ives Road, Maidenhead, SL6 1RF
Tel: 01628 796122



PLEASE, PLEASE we need to get Cookham Parish Council and RBWM to explain themselves.

Email
cookhamparishcouncil@outlook.com

Also, if you consider the hard surfacing of one of the few natural paths and Bridleways to be a disgrace, especially as RBWM previously agreed that this could not happen (saving the taxpayer valuable money on a  complete white elephant), email
PROW@RBWM.gov.uk

I notice that my last two emails to them received NO REPLY even.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Jo Jo on April 27, 2015, 09:05:35 PM
I suppose they are all too busy with the elections to care about anything else.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on April 28, 2015, 10:25:32 AM
Exactly why I have asked them which councillors supported this plan and which were against.
Then I have a clue as to who to vote for.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on April 28, 2015, 10:50:45 AM
Unbelievable, these people really need a kick up the .......

Although given their attitude towards equestrians in the village design statement or plan or whatever it is called it is hardly surprising.  I forget the exact words, but it wasn't an encouraging read if you have any kind of equestrian interest in the Cookhams.  Which is bizarre when you think of the achievements at international and national levels of the Matthews and Gilbert-Scotts over the years (forgive me if I've not added other notable names).

I hope you get an answer, please post on here if you do.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on April 28, 2015, 03:22:11 PM
I have now had a response from Anthony Hust at RBWM.

Following a review of the condition of the Bridleway over the winter months, and consultations with Cookham Parish Council,  the Council has decided to proceed with the surfacing of the northern part of the bridleway in July/August this year.

The surface will be crushed limestone and limestone dust, over a chalk sub-base. The Council has previously used crushed limestone/limestone dust as a bridleway surface elsewhere in the borough, for example on the Hurley section of the Knowl Hill Bridleway Circuit (the bridleway that runs northwards from the Dew Drop Inn).


I am waiting for a reply from Cookham Parish Council.

I have also replied to Anthony Hurst asking what guidance they took from equestrian users, and pointing our that the limestone dust will be blown and washed away in a nano-second, leaving a hard compacted, slippery surface below.

If anyone from Cookham Parish Council would like to reply (Mandy Barr, you said you noticed this thread when we spoke on my doorstep a few days ago), please do. I fail to understand why we are at this point.

Actually, the cynically me understands total, it's about building a totally unnecessary ROAD across a green field. So far, Mr Copas has run down Cannon Court farm and converted it's grazing land to crops with roads all around them, used bird scarers right by the bridleway, installed an impossible access gate at the Canon Court end with too hard a spring, installed two car parks, hard surfaced half of the bridleway and now wants to hard surface the other half. He must just as well say, horse riders - get off my land!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on April 28, 2015, 04:53:50 PM
I've just had one of those emails from Andrew.  I've sent my reply, and it was not in favour of the proposed surface.

I totally and utterly completely fail to see why Mr Copas is being allowed to ride (scuse the pun) roughshod all over the planning rules and get away with not restoring the surface to its original condition.  If he wants an access road then he can put one alongside the bridlepath.  There is no reason whatsoever for messing up a perfectly good public right of way.  If this were a footpath the Ramblers would be all over this like a rash but because horse riders are seen as an elite minority their needs and lawful rights are being swept away.  If any of our local councillors or our would be MP turn up on my doorstep canvassing they are going to get short shrift.



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Merlin on April 29, 2015, 09:38:16 AM
Why do these references to Copas not surprise me in the slightest.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on April 30, 2015, 10:55:50 AM
So, reply sent to Anthony Hurst two days ago, and as yet not even so much as an acknowledgement of receipt.  Not impressed. 


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on April 30, 2015, 03:25:57 PM
I've had a response from Cookham Parish Council.

Representatives from the Parish Council attended a site meeting in February when RBWM described the surfacing and the reasons why it was being proposed.
 This information was reported at the next Council meeting and Councillors were asked to submit any objections to the proposal.
 As there were no objections, the Council did not challenge the decision to re-surface and, overall, agree that it will improve the accessibility of the Bridleway for the majority of users.


No objections!!!! Are RBWM illiterate or deaf or what????


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on April 30, 2015, 05:20:23 PM
Honestly you couldn't make it up could you?

It would be nice if the PC did actually consult properly with those that actually use the bridleway for its intended use rather than presenting a fait accompli.  Consultation appeared to stop after the first nonsensical woodchip proposal wasn't any good. Most likely because there was never any intention of putting this ludicrous situation right.  Rather they would spend council tax payer's money on a project that should be being paid for out of a private purse if they are not prepared to stick to the rules and make the landowner back down and put right what he shouldn't have done in the first place.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on April 30, 2015, 05:54:14 PM
Have had the most useless reply ever from Mr Hurst.  Basically saying that the council will be monitoring the surface regularly to make sure it is fit and safe for public use.   What a total load of rubbish - I'll be telling him that too.  The surface should never have been allowed to have been tampered with in the first place.  Granted, it may still be suitable for walking on, but you could canter on the old surface as well which will now not be possible without a greater risk of injury (all fast work carrying a certain degree of risk) so it really can be said that the new surface is not fit for purpose to start with.  You just can't argue with these people, or even reason with them. 


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Cervantes on April 30, 2015, 06:15:41 PM
Surprised they haven't looked into alternatives. It's almost as if this proposal is designed to limit horse riders. Below is an image of a road surface suitable for farm traffic and providing a soft centre for horses to trot/canter. Not saying that any resurfacing is ideal but at least make an effort to accommodate everyone.



(http://s27.postimg.org/mmoom55er/image.jpg)



This pic is just to illustrate the idea, two tyre sized tracks with a soft surface in the middle


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on May 27, 2015, 10:43:00 AM
I called Mr Anthony Hurst yesterday in regards to the re-surfacing of the 'Pig-Track' (the bridle way that crosses the field from Malders lane up to Spring Lane.

It seems that all objections previously raised with Andrew Fletcher have been ignored, as Mr Hurst informed me that the land owner would be surfacing this track, starting in July 2015.

Agreement to surfacing this land was made following his review in the winter, when no doubt it looked its worse.

The surface is going to be crushed limestone scalpings and dust  - VERY USEFUL FOR SLIPPING ON WHEN WET, BREAKING A LEG ETC. And NOT ideal now for having a controlled trot or canter up hill!


If any of you have any concern about the 'Over-Development' of our countryside - I ask you to phone or email Mr Hurst and ask this track to be left in its originally natural state.


Mr Hurst: 01628 796 180 / Anthony.Hurst@rbwm.gov.uk



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on May 27, 2015, 12:03:59 PM
Thanks for bringing that to our attention JumpinJackFlash.  I really do wonder what on earth the agenda is for our PC and RBWM councillors.  This post will probably get taken down for that comment, but serving the public certainly does seem to come pretty low down on their list of priorities. Such a shames the same usual bunch of suspects got voted back in again.  I think will only see more of this type of thing until people who do care and still have a shred of integrity left get back onto the councils - at parish and borough level.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Dragonman on May 27, 2015, 04:16:30 PM
Ooooo-ahhhhh Paris, you are dead right me dear. Ever since they promoted themselves to a Westminister status  and forming a CABINET! The whole lot of them are floating around on cloud nine, and never think of the people they are suppose to be serving!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on May 28, 2015, 10:03:11 AM
Morning All,

I received an email from Mr Hurst - mainly because I asked him to review this discussion thread, as I generally believe people have come up with valid points in regards to this bridle way.

hence........

My email/s have been forward to the Councils lead member for Highways and Transport (Councillor Colin Rayner), and the chair of the councils 'Rights Of Way and Highways Licensing Panel (Councillor Maureen Hunt), who I understand are going to respond to me in due course.

(Also - please note - I have amended my previous thread - as I got carried away with my rant, and should really stick to the point. Even though we are all aware of why these things are happening # future benefits?).

Thanks


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on May 28, 2015, 10:10:29 AM
Well done, and thank you.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on May 29, 2015, 12:46:54 PM
Perhaps all the riders who use the Bridleway will have to take a leaf out of the book of this group of riders in Wokingham:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-berkshire-32896795 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-berkshire-32896795)


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on June 01, 2015, 08:05:31 AM
Great idea! but not sure I'm keen on riding through Maidenhead or Marlow - its bad enough just trying to ride around 'The Dean'  - what with the 'Tour De France' / 'Pimp my ride' / 'Mamma's and Pappa's in their hunters with the 4x4 buggys' / and even the local residents with 'drive-through' target practice around the lanes.

Sadly, without the horses, 'The Cookham's' will no longer be like the old opening titles of 'Emmerdale' but more like ' The Only Way Is Essex'!



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on June 01, 2015, 11:12:51 AM
I couldn't have put it better myself, all the more reason why we need our bridleways to remain as they have always been, so that we can keep off the roads whenever possible.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on June 02, 2015, 12:32:01 PM
I still have not received an email back from Cllr Rayner or Cllr Hunt in regards to this issue, as the 'Right Of Way Officer' said I would over a week ago.

... I don't want to start 'trolling' (if that's the term to be used), but its no wonder people don't respect / trust the council.

IF they stopped focusing on cutting council tax, then maybe they could employee more people to respond to emails/complaints etc... and at the same time, gain the confidence of the public that they work for  :-\




Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on June 02, 2015, 01:32:14 PM
I would have hoped that Cllr Rayner at least would have taken an interest, after all he does all the ground work for Royal Windsor Horse Show so must have an understanding (bearing in who the President and Patron of the show are) of equestrian pursuits.  Although he is also a farmer . . .


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on June 02, 2015, 06:14:28 PM
I think this will answer your question about why you haven't had a reply, recognise a certain Farmer who he provides services for?

http://www.jraynerandsonsltd.co.uk/page.php?p=history


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on June 05, 2015, 07:48:35 AM
The Public Rights Of Way Officer is awaiting a response from that Councillor (must be really frustrating working within RBWM  :-\ ).

Perhaps before an answer is given, it needs to be decided who's paying for the works, especially when this bridle path did not need anything doing to it in the first place.

Such a shame there is a gate at the end also, as this is rather tricky to open (bit like the krypton factor on horse back!)... shame no one just permanently padlocks it open.... now there's a thought  ;)


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on June 05, 2015, 09:58:12 AM
It didn't used to have a gate either . . .


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on June 10, 2015, 08:35:16 AM
Still no response from Cllrs or RBWM.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on June 10, 2015, 02:12:15 PM
Is this the bridle path, known locally as 'The PIG TRACK'  by Sir Stanley Spencer?

No Gate/s, no ROAD, scalpings etc !



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on June 18, 2015, 02:24:24 PM
Still NO Response from the Cllrs!

It's occurred to me, the reason why it would be of benefit for this bridleway's surface to be made 'solid'... is  because the land owner can and does drive between properties using this track, rather than having to drive down Long Lane to Cannon Court. At least its saves on fuel!

I've also noticed that Hindhay Farm has had bollards inserted - giving another 'Krypton Factor' Challenge for riding a young horse. And another set of bollards inserted at the end of Hindhay Lane.

Then, large red signs along Cannon Lane (outside Cannon Court Farm) asking people to keep off the grass...when I'm so tempted to start cantering here instead, as they are planning on changing the surface of the 'Pig Track'!

What the people of Cookham are missing is.... you may think us horsey people are a pain at times, but if we don't insist on keeping our bridle paths, then at some point these areas will be marked out as roads / building plots, and Cookham will become more urbanised and town like.

Back-us, Use-it or Loose-It! ::) - Don't leave it for me to say ' I Told You So'.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on June 18, 2015, 03:20:22 PM
Another brilliant post there jumpingjackflash.

I believe the whole point to the initial resurfacing was that the landowner wished to drive his farm vehicles on the bridleway.  Which I think, correct me if I'm wrong anyone) could be illegal as motor vehicles are prohibited from bridleways.  It would therefore make much more sense, to have a vehicle track alongside the bridleway and leave the public right of way as it is.  Except of course that we are dealing with a certain farmer, who would rather no-one came onto 'his' land other than by invitation. 


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on June 23, 2015, 09:00:09 AM
Morning All,

Trying to quickly update as I'm at work.

The Principle Public Rights Of Way Officer (Anthony Hurst) has finally received some form of communication /response from these so called Cllrs (Poor-Chap, I don't envy him working in the public sector "messenger always gets shot" so to speak).

Anyhow....

20th July @ 18.30 Maidenhead Town Hall - The Councils 'Rights of Way and Highway Licensing Panel' will be meeting and making a decision on the best way forward.

Should you wish to speak at this meeting (obviously once you have finished work, caught a train, plane or auto-mobile,  done your equine and made time to shower and grab something to eat  - you may make it back through the traffic to attend this meeting), you need to register to speak  by calling the Democratic service team on 01628 796319 before 17.00 the day before (Thanks Fiona - This would actually be FRIDAY ! (clever RBWM)).

All comments made so far will be put to the panel.

However - IF anyone has any further comments, please send them to Antony.Hurst@rbwm.gov.uk before12.00 Noon on the 6th July.



Good luck!



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on June 23, 2015, 09:35:16 AM
All horse riders this is our chance!

I was at the public meeting about Rock The Moor a few months ago and public presence REALLY can work, as at that meeting, the licensees withdrew part of their application.

Up to now we have all been emailing, writing, putting things on this forum, but a united front in numbers cannot be ignored.

PLEASE, please, as per the last post, find a way to get there, be brave and speak up, and prepare what you want to say. It should not be personal, or go off-topic, but stick to the facts detailing the impact the surfacing has on safety of not only horse-riders but all users, and the view of the site.

You really can make a difference. Once lost, we will not get this back and the Stanley Spence picture will simply be an historic record.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on June 23, 2015, 09:53:08 AM

Should you wish to speak at this meeting (obviously once you have finished work, caught a train, plane or auto-mobile,  done your equine and made time to shower and grab something to eat  - you may make it back through the traffic to attend this meeting), you need to register to speak  by calling the Democratic service team on 01628 796319 before 17.00 the day before.


Please note: the meeting is on a Monday, so request to speak should be made before 5pm, Friday 17th July


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on June 23, 2015, 10:13:50 AM
Arghhh, can't be there in person.  Timing is way off for me.  But, I will write again to Anthony Hurst. 

Why do they have to have these meetings so early in the evening?  Is it a deliberate attempt at making sure that plenty of people can't attend?  Unless my employer lets me out very early (fat chance of that happening as my colleagues are on hols that week) there is no way I can make it in time.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on June 23, 2015, 10:25:09 AM
Letter written and sent.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on June 23, 2015, 12:37:35 PM
Perhaps this is also our chance to reinstate Park Farm bridleway, as the rights of way were never omitted from the bridle path map (path coloured in purple) that RBWM advertise - as the map needed to be modified via a 'definitive map order'?


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on June 23, 2015, 12:50:30 PM
Good idea.  I've just been looking at the maps, it's amazing how few bridlepaths we have, which makes it all the more important that we stick up for the ones that do still exist.

Mind you, No. 22 is pretty scary and useless.  I've done that one once when stabled in Pinkneys Green and oh boy was it scary - getting to and from it on the road was bad enough, but when I actually got on to it - eeek! it seemed like almost a sheer drop in places with the Marlow Bypass below.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on June 30, 2015, 08:56:13 PM
Well . . have had alot of verbal and "nodding-head" support over this bridleway 19 from local yards/riders, and those that are "strategic -thinkers" totally get what's happening here . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (someone's 20 year plan to "twin furze-Platt with the Dean at some point)?.

Lets just hope the 'alka selzer' kicks-in before the champagne damages the local darlings little brains! WAKE-UP LOCALS as your area and views are changing!

One question that needs to be raised at the meeting coming up . . 'If riders don't want scalpings placed on the bridleway, then who is actually benefitting from having them laid (I assume at the tax payers expense)?.






Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 01, 2015, 10:07:17 AM
As I understood it from correspondence I've had, the re-surfacing is so that the bridleway can be used by farm vehicles - so the beneficiary would be the land owner.  No benefit for riders.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 01, 2015, 03:06:55 PM
So the whole 'consultation' over the Bridleway, is a red-herring! and the only reason why its been 'put-forward' to improve the ''Bridleway Path'' is so the council tax payers pay for it !

When is someone going to wake-up!

Well we have done our best in highlighting the issues to everyone. And I would of thought by keeping 'this-post' at the top of the ''Cookham-Discussion Board'' that the locals would read what's -occurring  :-\   !



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 03, 2015, 08:00:13 AM
Nice article in the Maidenhead Advertiser this week.... at least it highlights that some people care!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 03, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
Hmph, will have to go and buy a copy, I can't find it on the online version.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 13, 2015, 12:18:15 PM
Upon recommendation from a fellow horse rider - I went to look at the bridleway at Knowl Hill.

I must say, the surface was really poor and really only suitable for 4X4 farm vehicles to negotiate (is this the long-term plan?? - if so - SHAME ON YOU!).

Being that this is the surface proposed for Bridle Way 19 (Pig-Track) it was uninviting, hard under foot, and would be really hard under-hoof, even if your horse is shod! (those that do not have their horses shod, this track bridleway will be unusable for you unless you want a lame animal).

And as per RBWMS previous comments about Wheel-Chairs, Prams and Cyclists sharing our Bridleway - GOOD LUCK with negotiating the / this proposed surface!

I'm surprised the 'Cookham Society' are NOT fighting to keep this historic land mark in its traditional / natural state, as Sir Stanley Spencer painted it, as I thought this society were about preserving the local area. Or do they get to 'pick and choose' what's worth saving in Cookham? (I have more b___'s going it alone thank you!).


Pics attached


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 13, 2015, 01:41:06 PM
Thanks for the pics of the Knowl Hill bridleway.  If that is the surface they want to use here then they can get st*ffed.  No way is that suitable.

I confess, until you pointed it out jumpingjackflash I hadn't noticed that the Cookham Society were a bit quiet on this issue.  Now that you have it is plain that the silence from them is absolutely deafening.  If this were in the Pound no or the village itself no doubt they would be up in arms and petitioning/lobbying left, right and centre.  But then are these the same people who made the ill-informed and questionable comments in the village plan that were decidedly 'anti-horse'?  In which case I am far from surprised as whoever that was is clearly out of touch with the amount of equestrians in and around the Cookhams.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 14, 2015, 08:48:47 AM
Morning Paris,

The Public Rights Of Way Officer (Anthony Hurst) has sent out the agenda for the upcoming meeting Monday 20th July 2015. If anyone wants to register to speak, they must do it before 17.00hrs Friday 17th July 2015.

It seems a 'play' has been made on making the surface accessible to push chairs and mobility buggies. Obviously the person proposing this surface has not pushed a pram along such a surface, while providing a work-out for any 'Bingo-Wings' or 'moobs'. And as to a mobility buggy negotiating such terrain, well I'm sure a few pain-killers will be required at the end of the ride, obviously once they have negotiated getting through the gate!.

While I do not mind sharing a 'Bridleway' with anyone, I think the Cookham Parish Council, and the Cookham Society are forgetting that this is a Bridleway... and does have 'historical' and 'visual' importance. And while discussions have been held of 'costs' on maintenance of the proposed surface... IF it was left as mud, then it has no cost in the first place (who voted these people in?).

And for those people that have written-in with support for the change of the surface - I assume its just because they feel they have to be neighbourly.

Well, this will all be over by Monday evening.

Thank you to those that started this thread, and the support to each-other.

Next time a car drives up the rump of my animal, I will verbally remind them that if I had a bridle path to ride on, I would of been riding on it!



 


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 14, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
There are people supporting the change in surface?   Presumably these are the sort of people who only wear Hunters for music festivals and shopping in the rain and have no actual idea of anything much about rural or even semi-rural life?  I guess that they could also be the 'access for all' type who would rather see the countryside concreted over and then complain about flooding because the water cannot soak away naturally.  Honestly, I despair I really do. 

This bridleway is a really important part of the network for riders in and around Cookham (sorry JJF I know you know this) and if the landowner wants a road, passable by farm vehicles and mobility scooters, which to be honest I'm not even sure are allowed on bridleways as they are a powered wheeled vehicle, then he can build one alongside the bridleway and leave the bridleway as it is.  Also, can they accurately say how many of these scooters and pushchairs use the bridleway - I bet they can't.  In which case is there a real quantifiable need for the surface to be suitable for such users or is it just pie in the sky and using those less able as an excuse for a land owner to get away with something he shouldn't have done in the first place?


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Cervantes on July 14, 2015, 09:37:19 PM
Bump

Also there doesn't appear to be any attempt at a compromise. The pics I posted a few pages back show one way it could be done. I don't understand why there has been no attention paid to the primary function of the track. If options are available to suit all parties why are they ignored. I don't condone changing the surface when there is so much land on either side but if it has to be done why not do a good job to the benefit of all concerned?

From an outside perspective I looks like there is something else at play here. But I never did understand bureaucracy so maybe not.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Ellie on July 14, 2015, 10:58:23 PM
I agree with Paris. Enough of the rural ambience of Cookham and our Spencer landscapes has been destroyed or otherwise spoiled by this sort of urbanisation. There are people in the RBWM area with no respect for our village and natural countryside, who believe that every track should be covered with concrete or similar, as if in an urban park, where Heaven forbid that any member of the public should experience a speck of mud.

When are these people ever going to learn to appreciate exactly what will benefit and maintain a traditional, rural or semi-rural community, such as Cookham has always been, and become aware of the type of inconsiderate, mindless stupidy that can destroy such important aspects of it in one fell swoop? And what sort of rural community and its councillors would not cater and care for their horses and riders?

The historic bridleway was always the Bridle Path as Spencer so famously painted it, and its appearance and use should remain, valued for what it has always been. Why should its surface and usage be changed because a few people with mobility scooters happen to decide they want to use it?  Perhaps it is time some respect was shown in Cookham about the way things are, what the important things in life here are, and how people long involved with them wish them to remain. I am not personally a rider, but it seems very clear that Cookham has plenty of routes and paths suitable for mobility scooters and pushchairs, yet very few that are safe and suitable for horses in a riding circuit. As Paris says, this argument is not about the elderly or disabled, who appear to have been brought into the debate as an excuse. Let us hope that common sense will prevail here, that the council members see sense, and that the outcome of this important issue will justifiably favour the riders.

Horses have always been an important presence in our village and, for as far back as I can remember, part of Cookham life has been the clip-clop of hooves in the lanes on a Sunday morning, and children on ponies, learning to ride. Long may it continue.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Watchman on July 15, 2015, 03:27:39 PM
Councillors haven't the first idea of what a "Village and Countryside" comprises of.

They ride with the popular vote (always have done and proven in the past).

So when a single disabled person claims the right to wheel down a bridleway -
Councillors multiply that single person by 10, add a few more on, and before
you know it, the entire disabled community want access to bridleways.

It is the way they work.

Someone once mentioned all those signs for car parking in Maidenhead that
were put up at vast cost on all entry roads into the town.  No one stopped to
consider that there are more car parking spaces in maidenhead than there
are cars ... but, what the hell, the signs look good ... and the residents 
pay for the installation! 

Have another port and brandy, and whilst we're at it, let's award ourselves a
handsome pay rise and support the Holyport School!


It really isn't rocket science being a councillor, you know.
Just run for fun and go with the flow.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 16, 2015, 11:12:11 AM
I do hope that Andrew Hurst carried on keeping an eye on this thread for inclusion in the consultation; just in case the other members contributing have not written to him individually.  Some very valid points have been made since the original message stating the interest of the council.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on July 16, 2015, 08:14:11 PM
I'm really pleased to see the passion that is being demonstrated here, and the understanding of what is at threat.

BUT, please, please do come to the Open Debate about this next Monday evening(20th), 6:30 at the Town Hall.
Even if you can't make it on time, please, please come when you can to show your support, otherwise your voice will not be heard.

Even better, register your request to speak by calling 01628 796319 before 5pm tomorrow (Friday 17th).

This IS the opportunity to make a difference, we HAVE to take it, otherwise all this effort will be in vain. They have given us the chance to demonstrate, so we have to take it, this thread will not be documented as contributors cannot be identified.

Don't leave it to someone else, put it in your diary, make the commitment, debating here will not change anything, only being at the meeting will.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Cookham Society on July 18, 2015, 12:29:44 PM
The Society has strong reservations about the construction proposals for this route , which are due to be discussed on 20th July.   There are several competing interests which need to be accommodated, including both walkers and riders and, of course, the landowners, but the Borough’s proposals would be costly and will require an on-going maintenance commitment.  Moreover, they will tend to urbanise this part of the local landscape, which was recorded in one of Sir Stanley Spencer’s best-known paintings.  We believe there are other alternatives, which with the co-operation of the owner, would better meet the preferences of the different user groups and could significantly reduce the costs for the Borough.



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 20, 2015, 09:53:02 AM
Thanks for the input Cookham Society,  it's nice to know that you are at least partly on board with this.  I say partly because the primary user of a bridleway are horse and their riders and therefore their needs should be prioritised above all other users.  I don't say this to be arrogant or to cause a fracas, but because it is true.  Walkers, quite rightly take priority on footpaths (indeed all other users should not even be on a footpath, although generally a blind eye is turned if nuisance is not being caused); cyclists take priority on cycle paths and therefore it follows that on bridleways horses take priority.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Watchman on July 20, 2015, 11:19:27 AM
The Society has strong reservations about the construction proposals for this route , which are due to be discussed on 20th July.   There are several competing interests which need to be accommodated, including both walkers and riders and, of course, the landowners, but the Borough’s proposals would be costly and will require an on-going maintenance commitment.  Moreover, they will tend to urbanise this part of the local landscape, which was recorded in one of Sir Stanley Spencer’s best-known paintings.  We believe there are other alternatives, which with the co-operation of the owner, would better meet the preferences of the different user groups and could significantly reduce the costs for the Borough.

Can someone explain what "competing interests" actually are on a bridleway?
And why should they need to be accommodated?!

I'd have thought that if you were not a rider nor a horse, you should keep away from the bridleway!
Perhaps I'm being somewhat naïve here ...

As Paris points out - there are set "paths" and "ways" for respective users.
And unless the landowner/council are being shy with their ultimate intentions, then why not return this
bridleway to its original state - viz the way it was in Spencer's day - rather than haggle over its use
and how to surface and then "manage" it.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: wannabe on July 20, 2015, 11:26:26 AM
"I'd have thought that if you were not a rider nor a horse, you should keep away from the bridleway!
Perhaps I'm being somewhat naïve here ... "

Yes you are, bridleways are open to horse riders, walkers and cyclists. Not necessarily in that order.

Rights of Way
Walkers and Mobility vehicles
·   All Rights of Way
Horse riders
·   Bridleway
·   Restricted Byway
·   Byway Open to All Traffic
Cyclists
·   Bridleway
·   Restricted Byway
·   Byway Open to All Traffic
·   Cycle Track
Horse-drawn vehicles
·   Restricted Byway
·   Byway Open to All Traffic
Motor vehicles
·   Byway Open to All Traffic


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Watchman on July 20, 2015, 11:46:05 AM
Ah.
Thank you for setting me straight.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 20, 2015, 04:42:38 PM
You'll note that in my post I said priority to horses and riders on bridleways; this does not mean that other users cannot use them.  I would have thought the very title of the right of way gives the game away. 

However, it is worth noting that until this ridiculous farce came about, the right of way in question was being used quite happily by all, not just horse riders and the question about 'other users' hadn't even entered the frame.  That they do so now is all down to an unscrupulous landowner looking to get his own way through the use of politically correct smoke and mirrors whilst ignoring genuine users of the pig track.  And not only that, he is looking to use funds from the public purse to correct an issue that he created and that didn't even exist prior to his purchase of Cannon Court Farm.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: wannabe on July 21, 2015, 09:17:42 AM
Where is the information about priority? Don't believe it exists although I'm happy to be wrong.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 21, 2015, 09:49:20 AM
Wannabe, one of my posts points out the priority which is based on having a little knowledge about who can use which rights of way, i.e. footpaths for people, bridleways for horses and riders and cycle tracks for cyclists.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Cervantes on July 21, 2015, 10:13:25 AM
I would imagine right of way and priority are slightly different as even on a public highway pedestrians always have priority. So even on a bridle/cycle way, bikes and horses must make way for walkers. In practise this is usually based on the circumstances but it seems like common sense.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 21, 2015, 10:26:10 AM
So.......

What was the outcome of the meeting last night? Did RBWM, Councillors, Cookham Society support the Riders.... OR did the land owner get his way?

Does anyone know... or are we still pending an outcome?



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 21, 2015, 03:34:33 PM
OK, so priority wasn't perhaps the most appropriate word, but it would be reasonable don't you think that a bridleway should have a surface suitable for use by horses, in walk, trot, canter and even gallop, rather than being restricted to a slow walk and then at possible risk of injury which is all that re-surfacing may possibly permit?


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: wannabe on July 21, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
Wannabe, one of my posts points out the priority which is based on having a little knowledge about who can use which rights of way, i.e. footpaths for people, bridleways for horses and riders and cycle tracks for cyclists.

Little knowledge I think.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 21, 2015, 04:08:36 PM
Thanks for that rude post Wannabe, a very welcome addition to the discussion.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Cervantes on July 21, 2015, 08:00:38 PM
Yes Paris I agree. Horses and the needs of the riders should be the primary concern for any redesign of the track. Not that it needs redesigning but if it will be done at least make it work. The reason for my posted pics of the design principle. 8m wide, tyre tracks of hard surface and big gap in the middle and either side to allow horses a soft surface. In fact the perfect surface would have sand in the gaps between the tyres but it would require a lot of maintenance.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Dragonman on July 21, 2015, 10:56:36 PM
Official ruling is as follows:
Bridleway – as with footpaths the bridleways (as shown in the legend above) are legally protected routes that the public can use on foot or on horseback. Cyclists are permitted to use the bridleways – although through the Countryside Act 1968 there is no obligation to facilitate the cyclists on the routes and they must give way to other users. Bridleways are usually sign posted with blue arrows.
So unless the farmer returns to horse driven equipment, he can't use it for tractor powered equipment. Even pedestrians and cyclist have to give way to horse traffic.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 22, 2015, 08:35:24 AM
Morning.

No point with continuing the 'discussions' regarding the bridleway. The Land Owner got his own way with the support of the Cllrs and the Highways Officer (''driveway'' maintained by the council tax payers!).

Forgone conclusion.

I hear that one of the Cllr's kept referring to the surface being 'Lime Scale'....and IF it was 'safe' for horses to break out of a walk as the bridle path is  used by pedestrians (mothers and prams, dog walkers, mobility scooters, cars, tractors and cyclists)- SO what hope would riders have, when you have a numpty like that sitting around the table!


I assume the Cllrs are just 'perhaps' being neighbourly..... and the 'DEANO's' wish to be included on the 20 year future plan of being joined with Maidenhead... ;)

I wonder if there will be a ''Twinned with'' -Sign in the future? ::)

AS for us riders......we get ANOTHER BRIDLE PATH to WALK up.....  'oh' joy'.....



Shame on you Cllrs !


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: wannabe on July 22, 2015, 09:42:15 AM
Thanks for that rude post Wannabe, a very welcome addition to the discussion.
ruder than I meant.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Cervantes on July 22, 2015, 10:21:07 AM
Anyone know the names of the main councillors supporting the change?


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 22, 2015, 10:38:23 AM
I know I've probably said this before, but the inadequacies of our council (note the little c) really do beggar belief.  I find it totally bewildering that they could possibly have passed this proposal as acceptable and will be writing to Mr Hurst again.  The fight may be over, but there's no reason to let them lead a comfy dream filled life when their idiotic decisions are to the detriment of the electorate.

Wannabe - if your post was even part way towards an apology - then it is accepted, we all occasionally type things that come out stronger that we meant; and I do hope that you don't think me rude for not putting that ahead of my comment about our council.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: wannabe on July 22, 2015, 01:01:41 PM
Not at all. For the record I think the surface should be suitable for all users. Especially those with no choice in the matter. I suppose we will have to see how it turns out. I had to deal with motor cycles, bikes and walkers on a footpath yesterday, there are some real idiots about. >:(


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 22, 2015, 03:18:13 PM
For the record....

When some one says 'Bridleway'... the  thought that comes to mind  is.....'Country-Side' - this being green... grass, mud, trees. NOT someone having a ''driveway'' maintained by tax-payers.

The next thing that will be installed will be a 'cattle-grid'!

And then....

''Twinned-With...'' Signage....





Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 22, 2015, 03:28:52 PM
Not at all. For the record I think the surface should be suitable for all users. Especially those with no choice in the matter. I suppose we will have to see how it turns out. I had to deal with motor cycles, bikes and walkers on a footpath yesterday, there are some real idiots about. >:(

It wasn't the cycle path that runs from Lightlands Lane to Maidenhead North Town was it?  For some reason that one seems to attract idiots on motorbikes.  Although the problem doesn't seem quite as bad as it was when they could also get away with licence free fishing.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: wannabe on July 22, 2015, 05:19:59 PM
No it was in an adjoining County. Don't see many motor cycles in Lightlands lane. Just hear them blasting down Maidenhead Road.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 22, 2015, 05:32:47 PM
Plenty of motorbikes over Easter.  They were up and down that cycle track all afternoon - its the one that runs between the Haulfryn Site and the fenced off lake. 

If the bridleway gets made suitable for farm traffic I expect they'll be up and down there as well, won't that by nice for the landowner and the owners of his luxury homes at Cannon Court - another lovely bit of countryside with plenty of wildlife wrecked by bikers.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: EUWAVE on July 27, 2015, 11:51:45 AM
The paragraph below was taken from the Advertisers website. So 30 people objected to the proposals and still they unanimously vote to spend over £17,000 of the Tax payer’s money, utter madness!

“More than 30 people attended a meeting of the rights of way and highway licensing panel on Monday in the town hall to urge councillors to leave the bridleway as it is.

Councillors were presented with three options – resurface the bridleway with limestone scalping’s or the cheaper woodchips and road planings, or to leave it as it is. Councillors voted unanimously for the most expensive option of limestone scalping’s at a total cost of £17,100.”



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 27, 2015, 12:46:15 PM
Like I commented before.... council tax payers are now paying for a ''driveway'' that Riders didn't want on the bridle-path.

Funny thing is... the Cookham People have been harping on about Sir Stanley Spencer... but they have just lost a view of what he originally painted to become what is essentially someone's new ''driveway''.

Oh' as to the argument of the bridle way now being usable for a mobility scooter... how would the person manage the gate at the other end??. Maybe the council tax payer will be paying for electrics gates next?.... watch this space!


Politics.

It's crazy... utter madness....



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 27, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
The whole thing is ludicrous and very obviously from what I've heard from people at the meeting it was a shambles and obviously just a case of going through the motions with the decision having already been made.

It's such a shame that the Advertiser didn't make bigger mention of it, I wonder if National media might be interested, I'm sure there are papers out there that would love a story about council tax payers having their money squandered by a local landowner and council . . .


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 27, 2015, 03:32:03 PM


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Call General Enquiries: 0208 612 7000
 


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on July 29, 2015, 02:50:50 PM
If you read this article where a petition of 1600 couldn't sway the council about their decision it's not surprising that us few people concerned with retaining the functionality of a perfectly good right of way didn't stand a chance.

http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/News/Areas/Maidenhead/Cries-of-shame-on-you-from-public-as-council-votes-against-revoking-Holyport-College-funding-decision-29072015.htm (http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/News/Areas/Maidenhead/Cries-of-shame-on-you-from-public-as-council-votes-against-revoking-Holyport-College-funding-decision-29072015.htm)


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 29, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Makes a joke of the RBWM Local Plan ' Have Your Say' - as seems decisions are already made regardless of public opinion.

An inquiry should be made. Or Cllrs should not be allowed to vote or be involved with decisions if they are deemed to have an interest.

Still think a letter to a National Paper would be a good idea....

Or

A few people request Freedom Of Information (FOI's) on these topics!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: marmite on July 29, 2015, 04:13:32 PM
Forgive me as I haven't read the whole of this thread, but where were the parish council in all of this?  My understanding is that if what Jumpingjackflash says is correct in…. "Funny thing is... the Cookham People have been harping on about Sir Stanley Spencer... but they have just lost a view of what he originally painted to become what is essentially someone's new ''driveway''."  The views of Cookham are supposed to be upheld in any planning decision. That was the whole purpose of creating the Village Design Statement.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Cervantes on July 29, 2015, 09:02:31 PM
Believe there is some overlap in the parish council and the decision makers but I've not seen the minutes so that may not be the case. be nice to know who is involved


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on July 30, 2015, 07:31:07 AM
Morning Marmite, Cervantes,

Not sure where to start... may be a good idea to read the entire thread on this subject. I am also sure there are links to the proposals. The out-come has since been agreed, and the maidenhead advertiser did a 'tiny' article on it.

Sadly, if you were not registered to speak at the meeting, then you could not voice an opinion. And those that graciously did speak up, where obviously not listened to, as there was no debate.

I'm bias on the subject, as I wanted the BRIDLE WAY to stay in its natural state, and not have my COUNCIL TAX money, supporting what IS essentially now going top be a Loooooonnnnggggggg Drive way, with a 20 year plan attached to it. Wait for the tree-line and the electric gates to go in!

As to the Cllrs.... UTTER JOKE!

A few FOI's need to be raised, as this is political madness. I could think of better areas to be spending Council Tax Payers monies, than now having to pay £17,000 for a surface on a Bridleway that no riders (who were not neighbourly)wanted (me included).

Sorry for harping on, but as you can tell, I'm totally 'gob-smacked' on the decision made.

TRUST NO-ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on August 07, 2015, 07:41:47 AM
Thought it was a 'Bird Scarer' sounding off on the 'Pig-Track'. Was informed it was someone shooting.... whatever it was... Helpful.com.



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on August 07, 2015, 10:12:59 AM
Latest attempt no doubt to scare genuine law abiding citizens from using the bridleway.  They need to be careful - get too close to a public right of way with a gun and they could risk losing their gun licence.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: FionaBeaumont on August 08, 2015, 07:00:19 PM
Last year while riding down Malders Lane towards Cannon Court I came across someone shooting birds into the fields. They were camouflaged were on the land and obviously had permission from the landowner.

I have nothing against people who shoot, indeed my husband does, but to set up with a shotgun, not even an air rifle, right on the border of the lane was ridiculous.

Luckily I saw him and he saw me but I was very close by then, and if he hadn't, and had shot right by me I was easily have lost control of my horse. I did hear him shooting a bit later, but luckily I was far enough away by then for my horse to spook and not bolt.

If you had a dog off the lead, it would have run as well.




Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Watchman on August 27, 2015, 10:50:13 AM
May I urge all contributors to this forum to read the letter in the
Maidenhead Advertiser - "Viewpoint" on page 18 of this week's copy -
titled "Threat of Blight to View that Spencer Made Famous" - by Glenn Draper.

It focuses on the blight to the landscape and fields around Cookham, specifically
the view down Long Lane to the Switchback Road, where "farm buildings" have undergone conversions to
"boutique shops" through a loophole in the law that allows the farmer, Mr Copas,
the opportunity to exploit said loophole.

An "Equestrian Outlet" and a "Formal Dress Hire" shop are now standing where once
stood "farm buildings" - and the conversion only occurred because their original size
(marginally smaller than needs permission!) did not necessitate the owner (the farmer)
to seek permission from RBWM to convert!

Clever .... or what?!

I refer also to a poster on this forum a few months back mentioning "cattle shelters" in fields
where no cattle have ever grazed in over 100 years!
Buildings on farmland ... a footprint ... a precedent ... a warning.
A possible blight in the future where said farmlands may be submitted (exploited) for housing??

Reference is also made to the Bridle Path (19 I presume) which Mr Draper refers to
as now resembling a "B" road!

Read the article folks ... it makes very interesting reading and prompts great concern.

Meanwhile RBWM councillors sit back, take no action and continue passing the port ....


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on August 27, 2015, 04:13:28 PM
It's not a threat to blight the view - it's already happened!  Amazing how fast work can be carried out sometimes, yet the potholes around the speed bumps in the Pound stay completely unaddressed.  Bet they'll get fixed fast though if a Purple Patch runner twists an ankle in one!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Ellie on August 27, 2015, 04:45:23 PM
But have you noticed how the white arrows on the Pound's speed humps are usually repainted just before the Marathon? Amazing how the RBWM panders to those poor runners to make sure that they don't suffer. I bet many of them don't even live in the borough, so no doubt we are paying for that work on their behalf.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on September 04, 2015, 01:03:58 PM
Going back to Watchmans comment...

Why are the Cllrs not bothered about how quickly the 'Cookham-Views' are being changed forever. Cookham to me, is undergoing some major urbanisation - and will shortly become a town / or at least be joined directly to Maidenhead,  and sadly its by those that should really be preserving the area. But then, these people will sell-up and leave the cheap nasty buildings / roads, and trash some other corner of the UK.

Society is changing, and we seem to have t a group of ' The Only Way Is Essex Farmers / Land Owners'.... all the gear, but no idea!



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on September 07, 2015, 10:29:03 AM
Going back to Watchmans comment...

Why are the Cllrs not bothered about how quickly the 'Cookham-Views' are being changed forever. Cookham to me, is undergoing some major urbanisation - and will shortly become a town / or at least be joined directly to Maidenhead,  and sadly its by those that should really be preserving the area. But then, these people will sell-up and leave the cheap nasty buildings / roads, and trash some other corner of the UK.

Society is changing, and we seem to have t a group of ' The Only Way Is Essex Farmers / Land Owners'.... all the gear, but no idea!



Well said!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on September 14, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
Rode up the 'Pig-Track' this weekend...

What a stupid surface!

It was slippery when dry - what is it going to be like in the winter?


Nice Drive-Way though Mr Land Owner at tax payers expense! (17K - and to be maintained every 3 years). Now if you could install the electric gates, as the gate is a little tricky on horse back to get through, being that one of your arguments of changing the bridle way surface was for disabled access.... I think a person in a mobility scooter certainly would have trouble getting out and opening the gate!


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on September 21, 2015, 12:47:46 PM
Stupid , Stupid surface!

And.... happy to share a bridle way... but having to negotiate dogs, their stupid owners walking in the way (when your trying to be polite) and now 'Mountain bikes' and soon to be 'Domino's Mopeds....

This only leads to the side of the crop field to ride on....

......and I predict, this is exactly what the land owner wanted.... push riders off the bridle path... they then either don't use it OR start to ride on the crops... and 'SURPRISE'! Park Farm situation all over again.. where riders where stopped using the access that joined the common in Winter Hill to Bisham  / Quarry Woods.

 


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on October 13, 2015, 12:06:11 PM
I heard Cllrs were at the Bridle Way 19 at the weekend.... anyone know why after all this time they were there? Don't suppose they were BMX bike riding in their lycra with their Hunter Wellies on ???


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on October 13, 2015, 02:14:24 PM
Wasn't to do with that stupid 'aren't we great and isn't this a fantastic surface and amenity' photo that was in the Advertiser last week was it?

I thought the advertiser really let itself down with the article they posted beneath. FB would certainly have a right to complain and receive an apology I should think for how they wrote.



Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on October 15, 2015, 09:20:22 AM
Ah... YES that would had been it!

Lovely how the land owner had a table and drinks laid out...

Also, not to do a wind-up.. but good luck to the land-owner for now inviting those kids to bomb up and down on those quad bikes.. I hope they keep those residents awake all night, ... well those that wouldn't support the Bridle-way v's Drive-way......

And shame on RBWM and for those silly silly Cllrs (especially to that 'one' that lost their cool, when they didn't get the response they wanted about the ' Bridle way').


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on October 20, 2015, 07:44:54 PM
Saw the advertiser head-line 'Bridleway Opened To All' . .

So, Cllrs have just made another area a 'No -Go' zone for horse riders, because we now have to negotiate, joggers, bikers, kids on scooters, mopeds, dog walkers etc etc . .

What's wrong with these Cllrs? Do they not see they are changing the 'Cookhams' . . swapping out horse and riders for wheels and Lycra! . . .

Sad .

Anyone reading that article have to really question what is going on here... the advertiser mentions Sir Stanley Spencer  - but if they looked at the painting he did compared to the landowners new drive way, paid for out of our council tax @ £17,500 for the initial surface and then maintenance on top of that every 3 / 7 years... who actually benefitted?

Also - correction... no rider wanted to GALLOP up the track, but have a controlled Canter, to ensure an area was safe to let your equine let off steam...

And bins! you are sooo very clever gradually urbanising what was once the country side... to soon be a prime development location..... !


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 04, 2015, 08:00:03 AM
Wonder if the land owner will submit an application for housing here - now a looooonnnnggggg driveway / road has been established!

This family never ceases to amaze me.....


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: Paris on November 04, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
There already is planning permission for Cannon Court Farm.  Our once lovely bridleway is probably in line to become a private driveway.


Title: Re: Bridleway 19
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 05, 2015, 08:13:30 AM
So this landowner is 'grabbing' the Cookham's in all directions.....