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Title: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on August 25, 2015, 11:09:37 AM
Anyone else heard the rumour about a proposed chicken farm in Strande/Lightlands Lane?  There aren't any planning application notices up (or there weren't when I looked), but then with our council perhaps they've just not got around to putting them up yet.


Title: Re: Chickens?
Post by: Bob on August 25, 2015, 12:22:51 PM
Hope the perches will be high. Ducks might be more appropriate. :)


Title: Re: Chickens?
Post by: Watchman on August 25, 2015, 02:47:21 PM
The local foxes have stated that they will not pose any objections to the RBWM.


Title: Re: Chickens?
Post by: wannabe on August 25, 2015, 09:20:29 PM
RBWM Planning Portal http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/search.jsp?_ga=1.150923775.892432226.1438033595 (http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/search.jsp?_ga=1.150923775.892432226.1438033595)
Applications
15/02568 Storage Building
15/02564 Habitable log cabin
15/02565 Poultry Shed
15/02567 Poultry Shed
15/02568 Storage Building
All thoughfully sprinkled around the field north of Strande Lane
Didnt see any yellow notices and as far as I know no notifications to neighbours.
Application is on Parish Council Meeting Agenda for Tues 22nd Sep at 1930.
Objections to RBWM Planning and Cookham Parish Council ASAP.



Title: Re: Chickens?
Post by: monty on August 25, 2015, 09:40:04 PM
I live on Strande Park and as far as I know no one here has heard anything of this chicken farm. any idea who is running this farm.


Title: Re: Chickens?
Post by: wannabe on August 25, 2015, 09:51:26 PM
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m611/mclacr/Chicken20Farm.jpg) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/mclacr/media/Chicken20Farm.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Chickens?
Post by: wannabe on August 25, 2015, 09:52:05 PM
I live on Strande Park and as far as I know no one here has heard anything of this chicken farm. any idea who is running this farm.
It's all in the planning applications above.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on August 26, 2015, 12:54:48 PM
So, an application has been made and no legally required application notices are in evidence.  Care for another council whitewash anyone?

To follow hot on the heels of the Holyport school funds fiasco and Bridleway 19.

I suggest anyone with comments get in quick!

Does seem to me that this is more than slightly mad - what on earth is the proprietor going to do with a load of chickens when the flood waters begin to rise?  Stupid place to even be suggesting a chicken farm. I'd hoped the rumour I'd heard was just the local grapevine getting it all wrong, but no someone has indeed decided to ignore the flooding risk and put a load of chickens at risk of death by drowning.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of a bit of enterprise, but in this location - madness.  Even the horses down there had to leave when it flooded and they've got considerably longer legs than chickens.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on August 26, 2015, 02:29:24 PM
There's even a dog round here that quacks when it walks!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 26, 2015, 03:09:33 PM
I live on Strande Park and have these planners have any idea how smelly and noisy it will be with all those chickens clacking away. I for one hope it is thrown out. ::) and it will probably encourage rats


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Pongo on August 26, 2015, 05:03:44 PM
Perhaps they will decide to have duck eggs instead.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 26, 2015, 05:11:14 PM
Would you like a smelly chicken farm in your backyard Pongo, I bet not


Title: Re: Chickens?
Post by: Paris on August 26, 2015, 05:21:49 PM
I live on Strande Park and as far as I know no one here has heard anything of this chicken farm. any idea who is running this farm.
It's all in the planning applications above.

Yep, it certainly is in the planning applications, but if no-one bothers to put the little yellow notices up how is anyone to know?  If the notices are missing I don't suppose letters will have been sent out either.  Usual council inefficiency leading to the electorate suffering the consequences.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Pongo on August 26, 2015, 05:38:15 PM
Would you like a smelly chicken farm in your backyard Pongo, I bet not

Not so Monty. I used to keep chickens myself. In fact there is someone in Grange Road who has twenty five chickens who run in and out of the house.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: The Baglady on August 26, 2015, 06:12:21 PM
I don't think you can compare 25 chickens to a chicken farm.  Looking at the planning application this sort of outfit should not be located in close proximity to  a residential area .


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Pongo on August 26, 2015, 06:25:25 PM
I think you will find that Tom Copas' turkeys are a lot closer to residential properties than the planned chicken farm. That is also true of the chicken farm in Cookham Dean.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 26, 2015, 07:24:25 PM
We had leaflets regarding the meeting today distributed at Strande Park but only certain properties received the information. what does that tell you. There are 81 properties down here and only about 5% received the information. I think these will be battery chickens which I think is cruel. Also Lightlands Lane is not very wide big lorries with chickens being delivered is not a good idea, plus the fact it is in a flood plain, are we going to have hundreds of drowned chickens if we get flooded like last year.
Which company is behind this does anyone know. It will also devalue properties in Bass Mead and Strande Park. Some people will say that is not as important as a chicken farm.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Pongo on August 26, 2015, 08:13:53 PM
Battery chickens were banned in UK in 2012. I think they may have been banned throughout the EU at that time.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Watchman on August 26, 2015, 08:52:21 PM
Is there any possibility of bird flu, especially with the farm being so close to residential properties?
Or is bird flu a thing of the past?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Pongo on August 26, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
To date no human being has contracted bird flu in UK. I don't think it is something people should be particularly worried about.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 26, 2015, 09:25:54 PM
Bird flu we are not worried about it is about having a chicken farm with all the noise and smell it would make on our door step. 
we will fight this. You all may think this is funny re a chicken farm but all of us facing this problem it is not a joke.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on August 27, 2015, 09:53:13 AM
I don't think it is funny at all.  Quite the opposite and have written to RBWM on the subject, I urge anyone else who has an interest to do the same.

It escapes me know who it was wrote about the turkeys - it is completely different in set up to the turkeys a) they won't need to be able to swim like the chickens will, b) they free range over a much larger area, the stocking density is much more appropriate for the amount of land in the case of the turkeys, c) the turkeys are part of a well run operation, whereas this one is more than a little heath robinson.  To explain that last, having now read the documents, there is no provision mentioned for what happens in a flood event, there is no mention of clearing of fallen stock, there is no mention of septic tank for the 'log cabin', the application itself is titled apparently for just one building when there are quite clearly more than one being applied for, the main onus seems to be on obtaining permission for the 'dwelling' all of which makes me think that perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye.  Quite apart from which, there is also a downright falsehood when the applicant states he installed the kissing gate in the corner of the field - that has been there for years, if the truth is being stretched on such a basic item, can we really take any of the rest of it with more than a pinch of salt?  I can't quite believe either that one person is going to manage all the work that is required totally by him/her self, so what next more accommodation for workers?  Washrooms, toilets and car park for all the public who may want to visit the 'rare breeds'?  And how about the lane itself?  It barely stands up for the use it gets at present, without more cars up and down with people going to buy eggs, and will the entrance to Lightlands be made even more hazardous than it already it by signage (not mentioned either) informing people about the farm and where to get their eggs?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 27, 2015, 02:02:58 PM
I noticed today a sort of wooden shed in the field, halfway down Strande Lane. I have not seen it before and it might be something to do with the horses, but just seems a bit strange.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Ellie on August 27, 2015, 02:38:57 PM
Paris has echoed my initial thoughts in that there is probably more to this than meets the eye. This year an application for a dwelling on a chicken farm, next year a housing estate, all carefully planned in the hope that local residents will find it more acceptable than the chickens.

Can't help getting a feeling of déjà vu here. Where have we heard it all before? 

Or am I being unfairly cynical?   :-\


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 27, 2015, 03:32:40 PM
Not at all Ellie, I feel there is something odd here, even with this supposed planning application.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on August 27, 2015, 04:10:35 PM
As I understand it, that shed was supposed to be removed as planning should have been granted for it, owing to it being in the flood plain and a hard standing having been put down beneath it - I don't know how correct that is, but if so then there is definitely something funny going on.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on August 27, 2015, 04:11:24 PM
Battery chickens were banned in UK in 2012. I think they may have been banned throughout the EU at that time.

It's going to be kind of free range, cooped up at night and out during the day.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: smokey1 on August 27, 2015, 08:11:00 PM
I would like to thank whoever put a notice through our door about this as it was the first we had heard about it. I agree with Ellie, this stinks not only has the public footpath been altered without permission but suddenly the green belt ( which I think this area is, but I stand corrected) will have changed to brown belt and that gives the owner the right to apply for further planning.  We must object to this as it will change the Cookham area.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 28, 2015, 08:31:23 AM
I looked at planning notice yesterday and it says 'agriculture buildings' this stinks of something being covered up.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: cfarnsbarn on August 28, 2015, 12:13:22 PM
I don't know about chickens,but a cart load of monkeys comes to mind.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 28, 2015, 01:38:31 PM
Please don't make fun of this issue it is really serious, our whole area of living will be damaged if this gets permission, not only Strande Park, Strand Lane residents, Bass Mead, Lightlands Lane, it will devalue our properties enormously. The smell, noise and possibility of rats it is unthinkable .


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 28, 2015, 05:39:50 PM
I have just been looking at the  RBWM website and if this plan goes through there will be 3,00 to 3,500 chickens on that field, just imagine the noise , smell and the mess. It seems from reading the details he is already doing things in the field and plans have not been passed yet, surely that cannot be right.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on August 28, 2015, 06:44:55 PM
I've had an email saying the application has been withdrawn. However; another application has been submitted. So if you've raised an objection under the original details you now need to do it all over again. Ir your comments will no longer be counted.  Sneaky eh? Especially since the application notices are now up. But for the withdrawn application and not the new one.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on August 29, 2015, 07:33:18 PM
Can't see anything so far.
This is the link for applications in the last 14 days
http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/index.jsp (http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/index.jsp)
You can also search by address and just insert "Cookham" to find all Cookham applications, the link for that is on the right of the page.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cervantes on August 30, 2015, 09:09:28 AM
Use search by address, if an app is registered and takes a while to go into the system it could have gone beyond 14 days. Never found that area to be all that reliable


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on August 30, 2015, 07:36:07 PM
 Perhaps the new application hasn't been submitted yet after all, we'll all have to keep our eyes peeled in the next couple of weeks


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on August 30, 2015, 09:28:51 PM
We must do all we can to stop this person getting the all clear to go ahead with his plans it will be an enormous blight on the landscape.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 01, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
I've checked and the application has been withdrawn and I can't see another yet. It's still on the Parish Council agenda for tonight though. Some really good letters of objection were sent in. We are lucky soemone spotted what was going on. This could have gone through on the nod what with the misinformation in the application and lack of transparency. A search for the related applications results in nothing being found.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jumpingjackflash on September 04, 2015, 12:55:35 PM
IF the land is designated 'agricultural' and if the business is viable and there is enough land per bird - then unlikely you can stop it happening.. 

I used to work on a Free Range Chicken Farm in Maidens Green years ago, and the lady had 2,500 chickens, and that was considered a small business... and sadly... she went bankrupt.  How many chickens does this person think they are going to house on this land?

As to a dwelling, being that this is a flood zone, very unlikely of 'housing' will be permitted for the owner IF this is the long term plan? They may get planning for 'temporary' housing.. such as a trailer ?

Wonder how that owner got the permission for that trailer the 'other chicken farm' on Winter Hill Road ...????????????? :-\


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 04, 2015, 12:58:52 PM
3,500 chickens can you believe  ???


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jumpingjackflash on September 04, 2015, 01:05:02 PM
What are they keeping - Battery Hens !


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 04, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
I did read in some of the information on the planning website that they would be in chicken houses overnight and out during the day I think in some sort of pens, very unhygienic and smelly


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 07, 2015, 10:28:27 AM
V. unhygienic and smelly if they are only to be cleaned out at the end of each 'laying period' i.e. once every 55 weeks.  It makes me wonder just what state the poor chickens will be in themselves being kept in such conditions. 


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 08, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
Just checked and can't see a new application yet.


Title: New planning application for Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 10, 2015, 01:18:54 PM
 don't think I am reading this wrongly, but on the RBWM planning website, he has submitted application for agricultural buildings again on 2nd September,


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 10, 2015, 02:26:28 PM
Well spotted, From the website it is in the validation process.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 10, 2015, 03:00:27 PM
Yep, the new application is there now:

http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/view.jsp?ID=15%2F02749%2FFULL (http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/view.jsp?ID=15%2F02749%2FFULL)


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 10, 2015, 10:41:11 PM

Current application numbers

15/02564/full    Log Cabin
15/02565/full    Poultry Shed
15/02567/full    Poultry Shed
15/02749/full    storage building

http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/search.jsp
 (http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/search.jsp)


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 11, 2015, 10:44:25 AM
Sneaky using separate applications.

Whoever this person is, his apparent underhand approach to this is not endearing me to him or his proposals one iota.  Surely he would be better working to get people on side rather than getting their backs up even further. 


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 14, 2015, 03:52:40 PM
Bumping this thread to get it up the board again.

If you have any comment to make on the applications for this chicken farm please get them in, note that objections will need to be made for each application; although the applicant appears to be using the same supporting information for each.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 14, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
My objection letters have already gone in and copied to Parish Council. :'(


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 14, 2015, 04:34:09 PM
Thanks Monty!

I'm still working on my monster missive!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 14, 2015, 05:36:43 PM
The whole concept if this really depresses me that just one person can upset some many people.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 14, 2015, 06:34:20 PM
Bumping this thread to get it up the board again.

If you have any comment to make on the applications for this chicken farm please get them in, note that objections will need to be made for each application; although the applicant appears to be using the same supporting information for each.
On the face of it the supporting info is the same but I think there are some diferences.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: smokey1 on September 15, 2015, 08:24:15 AM
Why is the Cookham Society not getting involved with this application?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Aries on September 15, 2015, 09:43:33 AM
smokey1: Why is the Cookham Society not getting involved with this application? ?

I was at the Parish Council meeting on 1st September when a large number of residents registered their opposition to the plans - and I distinctly remember David Ashwanden (Cookham Society, Planning Sub-committee) making a submission to the Councillors.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 15, 2015, 12:19:37 PM
Big shed has appeared in the field.....
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m611/mclacr/DSCN3099.jpg) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/mclacr/media/DSCN3099.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cookie on September 15, 2015, 01:54:00 PM
I've had a look at the RBMW Planning website, and it appears that all the objections made have been allocated to the original application (now withdrawn). My reading of the situation is that none of these will be taken into account when the the new applications are considered. I may have got this wrong, but I would suggest to anyone who objected originally that they re-submit their objestions to make sure they are heard.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: kingfisher on September 15, 2015, 01:54:31 PM
If that shed is the one next to the gate on Strande Lane,,, it's been there for months....


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 15, 2015, 01:55:03 PM
Wannabe - that shed has been there for a while now.  I may stand to be corrected, but if the local grapevine is to be believed think he has been told to remove it.  


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 15, 2015, 01:58:01 PM
I've had a look at the RBMW Planning website, and it appears that all the objections made have been allocated to the original application (now withdrawn). My reading of the situation is that none of these will be taken into account when the the new applications are considered. I may have got this wrong, but I would suggest to anyone who objected originally that they re-submit their objestions to make sure they are heard.

Well pointed out Cookie.

Not only does anyone who objected need to re-submit, they also need to make sure they object to each application, both to the RBWM and copied to the Parish Council as Monty has done otherwise we could find ourselves with one chicken shed, a precedent therefore being set and then the whole lot following on behind . . . .


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 15, 2015, 04:49:51 PM
Well, appeared since I was last there.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on September 16, 2015, 02:21:26 PM
From a Cookham Resident

How YOU can help

We need as many local residents as possible to: -

Submit their objections to the Royal Borough of Windsor & Maidenhead (RBWM) Planning Department, by email to: planning.maidenhead@rbmw.gov.uk  and cllr.sharma@rbwm.gov.uk 

Please send a copy to the Cookham Parish Council: cookhamparishcouncil@outlook.com

Or by letter to:

RBWM, Development & Regeneration, Town Hall, St Ives Road, Maidenhead

SL6 1RF

Every member of your household of 18 years and over should object – but the objectionsfrom different individuals must be worded slightly differently in order to be considered as separate objections.

IMPORTANT: There are 4 related applications to start a large scale chicken farm in 2 large sheds, together with a house and a barn on flood plain between Lightlands Lane,Strande View Walk and Strande Lane. By applying through 4 different applications, the applicant is trying to dilute the perceived impact of each application, and hope that local people cannot be bothered to object to each one. If there are less than 100 objections per application, it is likely that the council will just grant the planning permission.

To ease the burden of submitting, you can submit your four separate objections, in one email under the heading in bold below, before outlining your objections to each specific application.

To RBWM Planning :  Objections to 15/02564, 15/02565, 15/02567and 15/02749 individually and collectively.

Planning Application: 15/02567 (Construction of poultry shed): reason 1, 2, 3 etc

Planning Application: 15/02565 (Construction of poultry shed):reason 1,2,3 etc

Planning Application: 15/02564 (Construction of habitable log cabin): reason 1,2,3 etc

Planning Application: 15/02749 (Construction of general purpose agricultural storage building): reason 1,2,3 etc

You must get your objection in by 8th October 2015

Key Facts

4 planning applications for a proposed chicken farm; to house upwards of 3500 chickens; adjacent to LightlandsLane, has been submitted.

The field between Lightlands Lane, Strande View Lane and Strande Lane has been earmarked as the development site – an area that is regularly flooded (e.g. for 8 weeks in 2014).

Should the plans be accepted, there will be significant impact on your daily lives.

We are approaching all residents who live within 500 metres of this development as we have been advised that this is the distance at which people will be severely affected, but anyone can object, no matter where they live in Cookham, or the surrounding area, as the countryside is appreciated and used by us all.

We have been advised by Parish Councillors that objections to the 4 applications should make reference to each item in the application ie; shed, log cabin, storage building; in terms of its undesirable impact on the land scape and flood risk; and then you should go on to object to the undesirable impact of the collective proposal.

Below is a short list of sample objections for you to use if needed in terms of the undesirable impact of the collective proposal.  Please feel free to use a selection in yourletter and add your personalised message and your address.

• The smell from these chickens will spread at least 500 metres and means you may not be able to open windows on hot days, or enjoy your garden. The plan confirms the chickens sheds will only be thoroughly cleaned out once a year and on-going waste from the chickens will also only be removed once a year.
• Substantial noise from 3,500 free range chickens(with plans for a lot more) and large ventilation fans coming on at night in hot weather.
• A huge increase in rats, flies, foxes and other related vermin.
• Increase the likelihood of flooding to more homes, thereby dramatically impacting local drains and sewage systems. (Note: applications for non-agricultural residences are automatically rejected on flood plain).
• Increase in commercial traffic down quiet lanes, which is hazardous to local community groups such as the Scouts, (dog) walkers, family cyclists, and access to the Green Way and to local stables.
• Damage to surrounding environment – Green Belt, Cycle Route 50, picturesque countryside – the plan is for 2 enormous chicken coops, + barn + house – all except the barn raised on 1.5m stilts - because it is on a flood plain.
• The applicant would not get planning permission for a residential house, because it is on a flood plain. By making the application an agricultural one, he is hoping to benefit from a loophole in the law and convert to a residential home after 3 years.
• Welfare Issues – if the field floods, the chickens will either die or suffer huge traumabecause they will not be able to vacate the sheds.
 
If you wish to be kept informed of what is going on, you can either:

join our mailing list for regular updates by sending your contact details to:      ansilver@cisco.com or sign our contact list today.

If you want to help: Raise awareness of the proposed chicken farm planning application and encourage others to submit their objections to the application. Full details are on the RBWM website, planning applications/search applications and appeals. Put in the application ref. number, then click on the proposal reference, then view Associated Documents. “Supporting Info – general” gives the most comprehensive overview.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 16, 2015, 03:34:48 PM
Thank you Webmaster and thank you also to the resident who put the information together.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Bob on September 16, 2015, 11:43:44 PM
Everyone is currently concerned about the chickens, but what about the greater noise, smell and foul waste problems from the pig farm that is also planned for the site?
(Although not 'initially', of course).

From Application ID: 15/02564 Supporting Information - General:
"The applicant always intended to keep poultry on the site. He has agonised over the
extent and type of enterprise to run on the site. There was a compelling case to keep a
number of pigs on the holding to run in parallel with the poultry laying enterprise. The
pigs would provide additional income and would help in the management of the land to
keep the land clean and would help to provide a rotational balance together with the
poultry. However, for various operational reasons, the applicant has decided to
concentrate solely on the poultry enterprise, at least initially. This reduces the need for
additional infrastructure for the pigs and associated capital outlay during the initial
establishment of the farming business".

Of course it does! Whatever other reason could there be for delaying this part of the enterprise, I wonder?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 17, 2015, 08:44:29 AM
With all this chicken business hanging over our heads its like living in a nightmare, I cannot even comprehend what it will be like if the council allow this to go ahead.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 17, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
Well pointed out Bob.  Mention needs to be made of this as well in any objections.  That piece of land is really only suitable as summer grazing, not the establishment of any type of small holding or 'farming business'.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Rhubarb on September 17, 2015, 02:57:45 PM
Note: The planning.maidenhead@rbwm.co.uk address may have an issues as my objections were returned as undelivered mail. I double checked and had been entered correctly. I forwarded my objections to Clr Sharma with a request to kindly pass on........


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 18, 2015, 10:26:01 AM
Quick one from me.  If anyone is going to take a look at the site over the weekend, there aren't (as I type) any planning application notices in place.  But it's pretty easy to find so that shouldn't stop anyone finding it.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on September 18, 2015, 02:59:08 PM
From a Cookham Resident

Take a look at www.johnbowler.co.uk/planning-and-build . This guy has hundreds of sort of franchisee egg production units in the UK.

The most telling statements is as follows: " All of our producers who have initially been granted permission for a temporary dwelling have been successful in gaining permission for a house".  Seems this happens after 3 years.

Our local landowners don't seem to have cottoned on top of this yet....  watch this space if this guy gets any sort of approval.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 18, 2015, 05:49:18 PM
I think he may very well have cottoned on to this.  A comment made back when the land was first purchased was about wanting to build a house.  And lets not forget that once planning permission is granted the build doesn't have to be immediate, he could quite easily wait for the three years it would be in effect for and then apply for a house instead.  Though why on earth anyone would want to build a house in a place where a free, rather dirty swimming pool is more or less guaranteed every few winters and your toilet and shower facilities are housed in a blue pod several metres from your home is beyond me


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 18, 2015, 10:48:49 PM
Well if he didn't know before..............


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cookham Society on September 19, 2015, 01:14:59 PM
The proposals to create a chicken farm adjacent to Lightlands Lane should be strongly resisted. Experience shows such operations cause continual problems with odours, vermin, noise, etc. and should not be located near peoples’ homes. No decision should be taken without a rigorous Environmental Assessment. People local to the site are urged to object to the 4 planning applications and express their concerns to their local Borough councillors.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cervantes on September 19, 2015, 02:30:32 PM
Agricultural operations are normally assessed differently and often fall into permitted development. It's a well known trick of landowners to apply under PD and then later a change of use. For example most storage barns can be converted to retail without permission after a period of a time

Agricultural is essentially any crop or grazing animal (excluding horses) and there doesn't seem to be a restriction on the size of the holding as you'd expect. More about the stated needs of the business. The council appear to be taking the residents views seriously (DC Panel referral etc...) but as an agricultural enterprise I don't think many of the comments can be taken into account.

I can't see this app being approved with such strong opposition but it's worth reading up on permitted development and agricultural operations to know what we're up against.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: James Hatch on September 19, 2015, 08:35:14 PM
There one way I think that you can push for and that is no more building in known flood plain areas. This way fields stay as fields. To use as a bench mark, any area that was under water in the 1947 flood.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 21, 2015, 09:59:08 AM
James, I realise that you are trying to be helpful; but the whole development of flood plains issue is rather an awkward subject and the common sense that should prevail often doesn't these days in this country.  Simply relying on the issue of flood to get this stopped may not be enough.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jumpingjackflash on September 21, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
From my experience working on a 'Free Range' chicken farm (in Maidens Green), the 2,500 chickens at the time were housed within a long barn, where the 'chickens'  walked on a wooden slatted floor (to allow the muck to drop below in a pit). The chickens then had access to 3 rows of nest boxes, where once they laid the egg, it roll gently to the back of the net - to the collection tray (please note - no bedding provided as the eggs would get dirty and are not allowed to be washed due to being porous shells - bacteria etc).

The chicken house had red heat lamps inside to stimulate continued laying, and the chickens were disposed off ever two years - due to the nature and cycle of their laying.

That's when the chicken house got cleared out -  the muck in the pit got scrapped out by a digger (and that stinks - the muck got sent to be made into those pellets for gardeners), all flooring slates were pressure hosed, the bell drinkers were sterilised, the feed hopper tray dismantled and cleaned...  and then the entire shed sealed up and 'bug / mite bombed' - ready for the new pullets to arrive. Where they get locked up inside for 3 weeks, before letting out (I believe this was to establish where the nest boxes were).

It was not a nice environment to work in. Hence I'm not a farmer!

BUT

From experience, I really can not see how a Free Range chicken farm could work on such a small site - not unless he is keeping battery hens?

It was horrible collecting the chickens for cull, 5 to a crate , and crates stacked on top of each other into the lorry off for slaughter.


So  - to back up my waffling ...does this person REALLY know what they are doing... as from reading their proposal... you wouldn't clean the chicken house out once a year - its done every two years when you send your flock off for culling. As sadly that is the life cycle of hens!.



Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Watchman on September 21, 2015, 12:33:12 PM
What an interesting and informative post, jumpingjackflash!
Not waffle at all ... an excellent pointer towards what one can expect
(or not, in the case of this application) when setting up a chicken farm.

Strikes me that this plan most probably hints at battery hens ...

Anyway, my objection has been lodged. It's fingers crossed for common sense to prevail now.
But don't hold your breath when it comes to our illustrious councillors "deciding" on what's best for us mortals!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Pongo on September 21, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
The keeping of battery hens in UK was banned in 2012, it is much more likely that the type of structure will be as someone on this thread mentioned at www.johnbowler.co.uk/planning-and-build


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 21, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
Just looked at that John Bowler website, it looks awful the sheds are enormous.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 22, 2015, 10:31:03 AM
Yep, they look awful, just what the village needs - NOT!

Please everyone, if you've not already sorted your objection and you are intending to object - get those letters in!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jcleach on September 22, 2015, 04:14:01 PM
The Parish Council meeting will be discussing this planning application tonight.  Please do come along to show your support for rejection of these applications.

7.30pm Parish Council offices (next to the library)


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 23, 2015, 12:07:03 PM
Thanks to the parish council for making everyone so welcome.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 23, 2015, 03:14:45 PM
And?

I couldn't make it what happened?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 23, 2015, 04:26:29 PM
Rejected by parish council but as many as possible need to object to RBWM as previous in this thread.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 23, 2015, 05:31:34 PM
Thanks Wannabe. :)


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on September 26, 2015, 06:31:21 PM
A Cookham resident has set up a website for the chicken farm proposal at http://www.nochickens.co.uk.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: smokey1 on September 27, 2015, 10:32:46 AM
Thanks to the Cookham resident who has set this web site up and also for putting posters out. We must not sit back and think there will be enough people protesting about this, we must all of us put pen to paper, because if it gets through there will be no going back.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 28, 2015, 10:10:15 AM
Thanks to the Cookham resident who has set this web site up and also for putting posters out. We must not sit back and think there will be enough people protesting about this, we must all of us put pen to paper, because if it gets through there will be no going back.

Well said Smokey1.

Please everyone, if you're lurking on this thread and have objections to the proposed chicken farm and you've not written your letter to RBWM and the Parish Council yet please do so as soon as you possibly can.  The 8th October when objections need to be in by is creeping up on us!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 28, 2015, 10:28:59 AM
What, if anything, is happening about that shed on the site. How come that has appeared and he hasn't got permission. Surely it should be removed. I am not sure of my facts here but could he leave it there for three years and then use it. I think you understand these things Paris more than me,


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 28, 2015, 02:46:19 PM
Hi Monty,  you could very well be right if the current application fails.  I'm not sure why, if what I heard about it having to be removed is correct, it hasn't been.  Perhaps he is hoping to use it for a change of use application at some time in the future.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 28, 2015, 03:34:32 PM
Its very worrying all the time it sits there, is he not breaking the law by erecting something he hasn't had permission do,


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 28, 2015, 05:09:55 PM
Technically yes, but unless the planning people enforce the requirement to remove it (if indeed there is a requirement to do so) there's not a lot can be done.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on September 28, 2015, 05:28:30 PM
Thanks Paris


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 30, 2015, 09:54:03 AM
Wonder what on earth is going on now?  The planning application notices have been removed from the gate.  

Sure it is illegal to remove them before the end of the consultation period?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jcleach on September 30, 2015, 10:35:15 AM
The Cookham Parish Council are lodging a clear objection to the development on multiple grounds.  They have also asked that the planning department's decision that no Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) be required is revisited. 

The fact that an EIA is not being requested is alarming to residents.  This is an environmentally sensitive area.   Why is it not being requested?   ???


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on September 30, 2015, 10:45:32 AM
Good question jcleach, possibly because an Environmental Permit isn't needed for less than 40,000 birds.  Given the impact that this proposition is going to have however, an EIA whether an EP is needed or not should be part of the decision making process, at the applicant's expense of course.  

Not only that, but I feel, and have pointed out in my objection, an Ecology Survey should be required.  The area concerned forms part of a toad migration route, and if that weren't enough is home to several protected and at risk species such as slow worms, badgers, bats, kingfishers, green woodpeckers common newts and grass snakes.  The amphibians and reptiles in particular spend much of their life in grassland and while they can cope with grazing animals, this sort of development could be their death knell.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 30, 2015, 03:08:34 PM
Just sent mine in, when I last looked there were 27 documents. Now there are 95! Keep it up folks...
* Don't forget you need to say why you object please*


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: smokey1 on September 30, 2015, 09:14:28 PM
Wannabee  what do you mean by documents. Is this people opposed to the planning application


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on September 30, 2015, 10:06:09 PM
This is all the documents relating to the application, most of which are objections. why not have a look?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 01, 2015, 11:08:10 AM
Must be at least 90 of those documents that are objections.  I'm sure that there will be more going in before the deadline of 8th October. 

If anyone is still wavering, or thinking they don't need to bother because there are so many objections already, please don't hold back the more the merrier!

It would be terrible to have this go through just on lack of numbers - you don't need to write a lengthy missive, a few simple lines will do and could be done in 5 or 10 minutes.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 01, 2015, 11:23:49 AM
There were objections from afar as well from people that visit and walk in the area. Well done them, and thank you.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: chrisri on October 01, 2015, 11:43:46 AM
I have just been on the http://www.nochickens.co.uk./ website that I found strangely enough through the http://www.cookham.com/forum/index.php?topic=4400.0 thread...this is fantastically planned website and a real credit to the people who have done it!

I have submitted my objections and several others will do it on my recommendations.

Please can I encourage people to visit the http://www.cookham.com/forum/index.php?topic=4396.msg17895#msg17895 thread and make there objections via http://petitions.rbwm.gov.uk/Poundfield/


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 01, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
Yes the nochickens website is really good, I think it just goes to show how strong feeling is locally (and not so locally even) that such a well organised protest is in place.  The area around Lightlands Lane and Strande Lane is awash with posters and I notice that they are spreading further now within the area most likely to be heavily impacted by the proposal.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 01, 2015, 12:53:08 PM
Links to news items
http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/News/Areas/Maidenhead/CHICKENGATE-Residents-spitting-feathers-at-plans-for-Cookham-chicken-farm-24092015.htm (http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/News/Areas/Maidenhead/CHICKENGATE-Residents-spitting-feathers-at-plans-for-Cookham-chicken-farm-24092015.htm)
http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/News/Areas/Cookhams/CHICKENGATE-Campaigners-set-up-new-website-against-chickenfarm-30092015.htm (http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/News/Areas/Cookhams/CHICKENGATE-Campaigners-set-up-new-website-against-chickenfarm-30092015.htm)
http://cookhamsociety.blogspot.co.uk/p/current-issues.html (http://cookhamsociety.blogspot.co.uk/p/current-issues.html)


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 01, 2015, 12:55:19 PM
Worth checking you get confirmation from the council for your objection to each objection you send in. They did not confirm one of mine so I resent it.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 01, 2015, 04:19:54 PM
I've sent an addition to mine this afternoon. I'd not appreciated that the application forms themselves are as full of errors and omissions as the essential needs and flood risk assessment.  He actually says on one of them that there are no trees or hedges!!!!!!!!  Can you believe that!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 01, 2015, 07:10:49 PM
OMG, I'm at the site now and have just seen the most beautiful barn owl hunting there, yet another at risk bird to add to the list of protected or at risk fauna using it for their livelihood


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 01, 2015, 10:10:35 PM
I've sent an addition to mine this afternoon. I'd not appreciated that the application forms themselves are as full of errors and omissions as the essential needs and flood risk assessment.  He actually says on one of them that there are no trees or hedges!!!!!!!!  Can you believe that!
I think that's why the application has been split so that answers can be given for the tiny bit of land in the application.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 01, 2015, 10:49:41 PM
Great letter from rights of way officer recommends refusal! Document 88 on the list of 101.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 02, 2015, 09:53:54 AM
Wannabe - that letter is excellent, couldn't agree with your more.  It's great that he has backed up those who have included the footpath and it's commonly used route as opposed to the route as on the definitive map; together with official confirmation that a false claim has been made over the installation of the kissing gate - which many others have referred to in their objections.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 02, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
The Advertiser are doing us proud.  I've just seen their online article about www.nochickens.co.uk. 

Well worth a look and a credit to the person who set it up.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jcleach on October 02, 2015, 09:29:02 PM
I have just been reading up on flies and chicken farms.... the farming websites state how good management of flies requires good drainage of the site....
The flies are known to affect an area of up to 500m radius.  I assume this distance to be of a reasonably dry site.
Another worry.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 03, 2015, 10:28:18 PM
Don't know how you can control flies without cleaning for a year. Just the introduction of a few extra horses has increased the fly popuation.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cervantes on October 04, 2015, 09:55:40 AM
I've always known that field as a cow field. They used to line up in the mud at the entrance to Strand Lane. They seem to have moved across to widbrook now.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: smokey1 on October 04, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
I noticed in the Maidenhead Advertiser on Thursday that a Landowner in Oakley Green has applied to convert his chicken farm into holiday homes. This is precisely what will happen if planning permission is granted for this chicken farm. If permission is given for habitable accommodation he will apply for a change of use after a few years, and lo and behold there will be more development on what was and is green belt, and not forgetting the area is in the flood plain.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 05, 2015, 10:43:23 AM
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m611/mclacr/2df73def-50c4-4410-a4ec-a0258189fa5e.png) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/mclacr/media/2df73def-50c4-4410-a4ec-a0258189fa5e.png.html)
Plan already in place...Strand Lake Chicken Ranch and apartments.
I'm fully qualified to run this operation  because I had a shed in my dads garden and it rained once.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jumpingjackflash on October 05, 2015, 12:10:01 PM
Has anyone thought of the 'pros and cons' of this land..... meaning.... IF this 'new' small holding owner does not get the chicken farming business... then what's stopping them of placing pigs there?

My understanding is, that this land is 'agricultural'... and pig shelters are temporary and movable..... piglets are born and raised in the open, then when a little bigger, they get moved on being raised within an indoor (again stacked flooring) system (imagine battery pigs / as in battery hens) before sent off for slaughter.

I don't know how far this can go... but someone has bought the land to be used... what else can it be used for?

I'm just saying.... but does make me question what other possibilities there are for the land. Its such a shame it was sold off in parcels in the first place.





Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 05, 2015, 12:27:14 PM
Not thinking of much else at the moment...


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Watchman on October 05, 2015, 03:02:17 PM
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m611/mclacr/2df73def-50c4-4410-a4ec-a0258189fa5e.png) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/mclacr/media/2df73def-50c4-4410-a4ec-a0258189fa5e.png.html)
Plan already in place...Strand Lake Chicken Ranch and apartments.
I'm fully qualified to run this operation  because I had a shed in my dads garden and it rained once.


Wannabe -- may I have first dibs on the chalet at the end of the pier (middle background) when you finally get
around to renting them out ... pretty please!
I'd like to be the furthest away from the chicken smells - (and as such nearest the ocean breezes)!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Watchman on October 05, 2015, 03:04:12 PM
On a more serious note, I too have filed my objections at RBWM.
Whew, what a palaver!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 06, 2015, 09:44:43 AM
I think the mention of pigs is a red herring, to make chickens seem preferable.  I wouldn't be too bothered about them at this point in time.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 06, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
I think the mention of pigs was to make chickens more palatable. (no pun intended).


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: smokey1 on October 06, 2015, 02:18:56 PM
I see that the Environmental Unit do not have any objections to permission being granted for an Agricultural storage building. 15/02749. My question is do they not get involved on the impact to the environment re the chicken farm??


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on October 06, 2015, 04:39:58 PM
That sounds very ominous to me  >:(


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: tudorrose on October 06, 2015, 09:05:52 PM
That sounds very ominous to me  >:(
I agree monty. Surely common sense will prevail and this whole travesty will be rejected???


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on October 06, 2015, 09:49:16 PM
The whole thing worries me. I really feel with all the things put in against it the RBWM will allow it. I don't know why I feel this but it is worrying xxx  I have a bad feeling about this.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Watchman on October 08, 2015, 11:57:51 AM
Sadly that is always the state of affairs when it boils  down to a Council deciding on a specific prickly issue.
Nothing ever goes according to plan, as there is always, but always, an alien point of view submitted
which compels councillors to pause and re consider.

Never ever take anything for granted, especially with the RBWM.
It is a Council with a huge majority for one particular party (ie., no viable opposition) and as such, they rule
the roost (pardon the pun).... and one never knows just how much of a vested interest a councillor or three
might have in achieving an unorthodox and unforeseen outcome following a "vote by their friends".
Refer to the Holyport School funding saga.
Vested interest ... two very important words when applied to Council chambers.

Having said all that, I would presume there has been a more than sufficient counter argument submitted
against the chicken farm proposal, and one would hope, I repeat hope, that the RBWM would see common
sense and throw the proposal out, without recourse to an appeal.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on October 08, 2015, 12:08:09 PM
Oh god I hope so the thought of all those chickens within 25 yards of my house fill me with horror. They really can't allow it to go ahead flood plain etc.  We don't need this kind of aggravation.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cat on October 08, 2015, 01:10:34 PM
Monty

I'm sorry to hear how distressed you are by this proposal. Would it help if you looked at previous applications for similar proposals around the UK? For instance:

www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/Chicken-farm-near-Tewkesbury.../story....15 Jan 2014 - Protest against chicken farm

Unfortunately the application was eventually approved by the local council but some of the reasons why people objected in Tewkesbury might be applicable where this current local proposal is concerned.
But haven't been thought of, and therefore not included in anyone's objections so far.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on October 08, 2015, 01:41:48 PM
Tried to look at the web site Cat but came up 'page not found'. I cannot be the only person upset and worried by this. I think the council will just put it through I don't think they are concerned about peoples objections.l


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Pongo on October 08, 2015, 04:24:37 PM
Here are a couple of articles Monty. There are quite a lot as obviously there was a real fight. They were talking about 200,000 chickens at any one time.

http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/Chicken-farm-near-Tewkesbury-bring-dangerous/story-20445582-detail/story.html

http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/Disputed-chicken-farm-storage-building-near/story-26296351-detail/story.html


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on October 08, 2015, 09:28:12 PM
Read them does not help my fears. I am in my 70's and I wanted a quiet life here on Strand Park and if the RBWM in their wisdom decide to give this git permission to open this chicken farm my quiet life will be ruined.,



Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jumpingjackflash on October 09, 2015, 12:59:44 PM

Can this land not be used for stables instead... then the owner can have a small income problem solved!....

Can always do with excellent livery yards in Cookham!....

(If anyone knows of a stable yard taking liveries in Cookham, DIY or Part Livery - please PM me with details. Thanks).



Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: tudorrose on October 09, 2015, 02:08:44 PM
Yes, lots of homeless horses since they were kicked off Poundfield!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cervantes on October 09, 2015, 02:46:53 PM
any building in this area will increase the flood risk and be under 3ft of water at some stage in its life. You may be onto something with grazing as this field has looked great all summer. Perfect for a few large animals as long they move out for winter when it turns to mud.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Watchman on October 09, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
Yes, lots of homeless horses since they were kicked off Poundfield!

Why were they kicked off Poundfield?
And who now owns that piece of land?

Frankly it's in a terrible mess, with overgrown weeds, tall grasses and (soon to be seen) tumbleweeds!!
Surely grazing horses kept the field in proper order and the grass under control?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cervantes on October 11, 2015, 10:32:38 PM
you can find the owners of the pound field by searching for the housing application that was put forward for that site.

I think horses are too selective to keep fields nice by themselves but it must help.

Link to livestock grazing comparison table.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock_grazing_comparison

Interesting reading as seems this land could hold 5-6 horses permanently grazing (1 acre/horse/cow/large sheep) Seems like a lot given how wet it is in winter but that's a land management issue.

Large animals take up a lot of grazing land it seems.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: tudorrose on October 12, 2015, 06:09:47 AM
you can find the owners of the pound field by searching for the housing application that was put forward for that site.

I think horses are too selective to keep fields nice by themselves but it must help.

Link to livestock grazing comparison table.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock_grazing_comparison

Interesting reading as seems this land could hold 5-6 horses permanently grazing (1 acre/horse/cow/large sheep) Seems like a lot given how wet it is in winter but that's a land management issue.

Large animals take up a lot of grazing land it seems.

That is the pony field Cervantes which is just a small (but important) part of the Poundfield which Oakford homes were interested in building on last year but didn't put a planning app in ultimately. There haven't been horses on there for many years. Copas owns the other fields on the Poundfield area and he had all the horses removed in January this year


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 12, 2015, 11:20:51 AM
you can find the owners of the pound field by searching for the housing application that was put forward for that site.

I think horses are too selective to keep fields nice by themselves but it must help.

Link to livestock grazing comparison table.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock_grazing_comparison

Interesting reading as seems this land could hold 5-6 horses permanently grazing (1 acre/horse/cow/large sheep) Seems like a lot given how wet it is in winter but that's a land management issue.

Large animals take up a lot of grazing land it seems.

Yes, Cervantes, large animals do require a lot of land per animal, because they graze and poo at the same time.  Any piece of land being used for grazing, no matter what the species requires management in terms of weed control (1959 Weed Act comes into play here), parasite control, aeration of the soil, drainage, etc.  It's not as simple as it sometimes looks!  The field in question is home to rather a lot of ragwort which is poisonous to most mammals and the owner hasn't done a great deal this year to manage it.  In fact he even helped it spread by having it mown instead of spending time pulling it out.  OK, eventually he did make a token effort at pulling it, but by then most of the seeds would have dispersed anyway and he only did that because he though the authorities were about to pay a visit.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 12, 2015, 11:42:30 AM

Can this land not be used for stables instead... then the owner can have a small income problem solved!....

Can always do with excellent livery yards in Cookham!....

(If anyone knows of a stable yard taking liveries in Cookham, DIY or Part Livery - please PM me with details. Thanks).


Missing the point here...The main reason for the application seems to be building a dwelling on green belt land.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on October 12, 2015, 11:54:58 AM
Why hasn't he been told to shift the shed, he does not permission to do anything yet ---- on that land so why is it still there, plus a load of concrete blocks.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jumpingjackflash on October 12, 2015, 12:12:06 PM

Can this land not be used for stables instead... then the owner can have a small income problem solved!....

Can always do with excellent livery yards in Cookham!....

(If anyone knows of a stable yard taking liveries in Cookham, DIY or Part Livery - please PM me with details. Thanks).


Missing the point here...The main reason for the application seems to be building a dwelling on green belt land.


I was thinking more along the lines of, if it is agricultural land / green belt / flood plain / then who in their right mind would really believe they could get planning permission for a house/s. The best thing they could do is have grazing animals on the land.. and then more them off in the winter....

What we really need to do is - get the cllrs with their 'Hunter Wellies' on.... and go and walk around that plot of land in the wet of the winter...

Come-on... common sense has to play a part here......!

Its seems ''the Cookham's'' is more a developers paradise...as all land owners seems to be cashing in ..... wish time would just stand still..... and any development is done with common-sense and sensitivity - with a bit of thought of the impact on the area in the long term.

As mentioned before.... 'The Cookham's' no longer have that  'Emmerdale' feel... but heading to 'The Only Way Is Essex'... and soon to be more of a location like....'Eastenders'....



Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cervantes on October 12, 2015, 05:53:01 PM
Thanks tudorrose I got a bit mixed up. I also thought that the horses had been moved on around the time the website was set up talking of the housing.

Paris - This makes me slightly concerned about the long term future of the chicken site if this app get refused. Don't want to walk by an overgrown and unused jungle. What you've listed sounds like s lot of work.



Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 13, 2015, 09:47:22 AM
Land management is a lot of hard work!  The site in question though would be perfectly manageable by someone who knows what they're doing and has a proper appreciation of what is needed and is willing to spend the time and money (it's not cheap either) to keep it in good order.

Really, really hoping that these applications are turned down.  I've not counted the total number of objections but they must number in the 100's.  Common sense must surely prevail?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: smokey1 on October 13, 2015, 04:05:43 PM
Interesting comments from The Waterway Group. Also there are 106 documents, I have had  confirmation to mine (over a week ago) and 4 replies from RBWM to each Planning Application but it has not been posted, I wonder how many more objections have been missed out?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 13, 2015, 05:25:15 PM
Let's be honest here Maidenhead Waterways are concerned about their waterway in Maidenhead becoming polluted, and ingratiating themselves into the lives of Cookhamites who may oppose the northern extension to the waterway.  Having said that though, yes their comments were interesting and back up what other objectors have been saying about the potential for chicken poo to pollute surface and groundwater in the area.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jcleach on October 13, 2015, 07:08:43 PM
There are many many more than the number of documents listed on the public portal.  On the recent entries there are sometimes up to 25 letters per entry, you just have to scroll down.  There is some confusion in the scanning however with duplications and mixing up between the four applications.  Not a surprise given the huge confusion with the four application numbers for just ONE poultry farm. 


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jcleach on October 13, 2015, 07:14:46 PM
Meant to add there look to be approx. 550 written objections.  A huge public response.  Thank you to everyone in the community for pulling together against this threat to our village.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 14, 2015, 01:57:36 PM
That is an amazing response.  With that many objections it must be one of the biggest responses that RBWM have ever had to deal with. 


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jumpingjackflash on October 15, 2015, 09:14:06 AM
Just saying ... and thinking ahead, in case this turns out wrong for the Cookham Residents...

We should alert Cllrs and request RBWM to file an Article 4 Direction - this will STOP HARD STANDING AND FENCING being laid, so that planning permission would be automatically be required for CARAVANS.



Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cervantes on October 15, 2015, 01:00:50 PM
I believe this is already the case as its flood plain.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 15, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
It's not under an Article 4 Direction at present, let's hope it soon will be.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on October 15, 2015, 02:26:22 PM
All I hope is that if it is turned down and I pray it will be, will he put the plans in again, and then we will have to fight all over again.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 15, 2015, 03:41:34 PM
You would hope, given the weight of the number of objections that he would have the good sense to see that we will all just carry on fighting and will also see that the objections are coming from his 'target market' and therefore he won't have a business anyway even if he does succeed.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Ellie on October 15, 2015, 04:26:53 PM
The numerous objections are all so valid, it is hard to imagine any reason why permission would be given for such a venture. Anyone with an iota of common sense would immediately see that the whole concept is completely unworkable.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jumpingjackflash on October 16, 2015, 12:05:33 PM
Someone needs to log an Article 4 application.... because.. I will try and be careful with my words..... but.... if this goes ''pear shaped'', beware of CARAVANS turning up....

If this Article 4 application is logged now.. it will make it easier for RBWM to move them..... catch my drift ??????


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 16, 2015, 12:34:19 PM
Drift well and truly caught jumpingjacklflash.  I know only too well what you are talking about, and it must be said there were 'caravanners' or at least representatives of the 'caravanning community' poking around back in the summer.  I know this because I spoke to them  :(  At that time they were put off by the fact that there is only one way in and out; however, if invited onto land they may well be only to pleased to take up the invitation, in which case I hope it blooming well floods again even though it will cause personal inconvenience  ;)

I was just having a quick look through all the objections that have been posted on line this week - well done the council for continuing to post the enormous amount of letters and emails. 

One person mentioned that the applicant is already trying to sell his eggs to Maidenhead businesses - how can this be when he doesn't even have planning permission yet?  I suppose he could be selling from his little 'home flock' of 25, but with the promise of more to come?  If this is the case he certainly seems super confident that he is about to have a business.  Anyone else heard anything along these lines?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on October 16, 2015, 12:52:01 PM
I wonder if the applicant - has any idea of the amount of objections there are to his "little business plan", or of the fight there will be if he applies again if turned down - hopefully.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Ellie on October 16, 2015, 06:46:07 PM
Can anyone reading this see any reason at all why permission would be likely to be granted, especially in these circumstances?

If someone makes planning applications in order to set up a business, that is by no means automatically acceptable to the council and the council is under no obligation to support them. In this case, it would seem that the only person in Cookham who wants this - and would benefit from permission being granted - is the land owner. All the other 500 odd opinions and considerations about the subject are contradictory to his cause. There are no advantages whatsoever to Cookham here - it's not that we even lack places selling fresh eggs!

I can't see how the council could possibly justify granting any of these applications, not only for what they would immediately represent to the community in general, but also bearing in mind the greater horrors in store for the future.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on October 16, 2015, 08:13:56 PM
Someone needs to log an Article 4 application.... because.. I will try and be careful with my words..... but.... if this goes ''pear shaped'', beware of CARAVANS turning up....

If this Article 4 application is logged now.. it will make it easier for RBWM to move them..... catch my drift ??????
I'm not sure but I think there may have to be a planning approval to attach an article 4 to.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on October 19, 2015, 09:46:42 AM
I don't think so Wannabe, an Article 4 can be applied to any piece of land to make any form of development need planning permission.


Title: POULTRY FARM INCORRECT DATE
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on October 22, 2015, 12:25:33 PM
From the Parish Council

There is an article in the Maidenhead Advertiser today saying that the Poultry Farm applications will be discussed at the RBWM Development Control Panel meeting on 28th October.

This is not correct - The Planning Team are still collating information and compiling the reports that will be presented to the Panel.

Advance notification of the relevant meeting date, once it has been decided,  will be sent to all those who have submitted comments on the applications.


Title: Re: POULTRY FARM INCORRECT DATE
Post by: Paris on October 22, 2015, 02:31:04 PM
Thank you Webmaster - and thank you Parish Council as well for spotting the error and advising accordingly.


Title: Chicken Farm
Post by: monty on November 02, 2015, 12:38:44 PM
Does anyone know when we will get a decision on this stupid project  ???


Title: Re: Chicken Farm
Post by: Paris on November 02, 2015, 01:02:44 PM
I think the Panel are due to sit on 16 November as I understand it from the planning section of the website.  I think the agenda for each Panel meeting is published a week in advance of the meeting.

If I'm wrong on this, please someone correct me as like probably everyone else involved I'm finding the wait on a decision is to be proving somewhat tedious.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm
Post by: jcleach on November 03, 2015, 03:04:12 PM
I'm afraid it hasn't been confirmed yet but is likely to be at the end of December.
I will make sure it is widely publicised when confirmed. We will need a great show of public support at the meeting which will be at the town hall in maidenhead.
If anyone has any ecological expertise I would be keen to liaise!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm
Post by: Paris on November 03, 2015, 03:35:00 PM
End of December!

That's another sneaky move - everyone will be busy with Christmas.

Why is it I sense another whitewash on the cards?  The decision date just keeps on moving more and more backwards.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm
Post by: monty on November 03, 2015, 04:55:07 PM
Moving backwards and forwards - no definite date - I hope this doesn't mean it will be passed, are we all being fobbed off, it is also very worrying what is happening if this awful project goes ahead life in this beautiful bit of Cookham will be ruined.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on November 14, 2015, 03:51:04 PM
RBWM Case Officer (Sue Sharman) has advised that given the number of objections received (828) by the Borough Planning Committee they would not be able to decide on the case until 21st December. The case will be decided via Planning Committee at the RBWM Town Hall.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on November 16, 2015, 10:26:19 AM
Webmaster - thank you for the update.  There are a great many people worrying about this and it is such a good thing that we have this board for times like these.

I wonder - does anyone know what is happening about the footpath?  I noticed at the weekend that more fence posts have been put up.  Does that mean that Article 4 has not yet been applied to the land in question?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on November 16, 2015, 12:57:15 PM
He should be ordered to take everything down until the decision, I cannot understand why this has not been done, is someone worried about his "human rights" !!!!!


Title: Chicken Farm
Post by: monty on November 29, 2015, 08:14:19 PM
I have just looked at the Parish council meeting for the 24 November and it says there that the Environment Agency says that that field is part of Functional Flood Plain and cannot be developed, Applicant has been informed. We just have to hope the Council take note of the Environmental Health Office.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 29, 2015, 08:46:06 PM
That's great news! Thank u for the update! :D


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on November 29, 2015, 09:28:59 PM
You are welcome, my fingers and toes are crossed.


Title: Pigs in Cookham
Post by: jcleach on December 08, 2015, 06:56:13 PM
Two pig arks have been sited in the field between Strande Lane and Lightlands Lane.  This is the site of the proposed poultry farm.  The planning applications remain active and the date of the council planning meeting is not yet known.  It is understood that the applicant intends to farm pigs and chickens under the permitted agricultural development rights, which means that planning permission is not required. 
This is obviously a serious development. 


Title: Re: Pigs in Cookham
Post by: monty on December 08, 2015, 07:42:52 PM
My husband and I drove down there he was in his car., dirty scruffy individual. Why are RBWM not supporting us we don't need this now . I bet they won't throw him off. He could be a traveller if that's the case we don't have a cat in hells chance of getting rid of of him and his blasted pigs


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: The Baglady on December 08, 2015, 11:30:08 PM
I placed a complaint today and was told the meeting is scheduled for Dec 21 and nothing should be happening in that field until a decision has been made . RBWM need to sort this out .


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on December 09, 2015, 07:24:27 AM
The next planning meeting is on 21st. The agenda isn't published yet so the application may not even be on it.
It's not correct to say that nothing should be happening in the field.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 09, 2015, 01:12:10 PM
There is a lot happening in that field he has his pig shelters up already.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Pongo on December 09, 2015, 01:25:10 PM
He can put up pig arks with no planning permission.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 09, 2015, 01:37:29 PM
Why did he put in four planning applications, if permission was not required. We have been living with this chicken farm threat for over 7 months and would imagine a lot of people are sick to death of it, and once he adds the chickens it doesn't bear thinking about.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: forum poster on December 11, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
Probably a bit provocative here.... 

If this individual, who seems to hold the planning process and local residents in contempt, uses the access road off Strande Lane, how about erecting a gate with lock and key and provide access only to those who contribute to its upkeep?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 11, 2015, 05:45:05 PM
Sounds like  a good idea its a private road he has no right to be there. I hope the meeting today comes up with some positive feedback, I cannot imagine what the summer will be like with stinky pigs and noisy chickens.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 11, 2015, 10:13:42 PM
has all interest died in what this individual is doing


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: wannabe on December 12, 2015, 03:04:06 PM
No but it's not being done in public...


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 12, 2015, 03:33:49 PM
What does mean exactly


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on December 12, 2015, 05:17:13 PM
Nope, interest has definitely not been lost.  Just that, personally speaking, I'd forgotten my password to logon! 

I do agree wholeheartedly with whoever it was said that this person is treating the whole process with utter contempt and it appears to me that he is looking for every possible loophole in order to make a monkey out of the planning process and therefore to get his own way.  It is also very clear that the amount of objections to his proposed chicken farm is doing nothing to put him off a plan that is wholly unsuitable for the site.

It would seem he has learnt that in some circumstances portable (i.e. towable) buildings are exempt from planning he has now raised up the shed that should have been removed from the site and added wheels to it.  I understand he is also thinking of putting a 'caravan' on site to live in.

I wonder when he is planning on moving his pigs in, and where he will put them when the waters start to rise?  I also wonder if this is an attempt at making chickens seem a more preferable option to those who live around the property?  (One of the arks is in the point of the field where the water flows through from the lake opposite.)  Talking of water, and therefore sanitation, how is is going to get water supplied to the pigs?  There being no mains connection to his bit of field, and where will the caravan effluent be disposed.  This guy needs stopping in his tracks before he causes either/or an animal welfare issue or public health incident.  It is all well and good saying he is exercising his right to farm the land, but with poor fencing, no mains water, sewerage or mains electricity supply and a very real threat of severe flooding this is an incident of one description or another just waiting to happen.

I fear that all we can do now is hold on until the Panel sit at the end of this month and pray that they see sense and refuse all four applications and place such conditions on the landuse that we won't be spending most if not all of next year fighting off yet more applications.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: jcleach on December 12, 2015, 10:05:42 PM
The applications for this field are not going to be heard until into the New Year. 

If animals are moved into the field and there is no access to appropriate water supplies or they are subjected to poorly draining land, there may well be animal welfare questions to be considered by the authorities.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 13, 2015, 10:46:24 AM
My God have we got another wait, I don't believe it.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cat on December 13, 2015, 01:47:55 PM
Looking at the Defra site it seems to be clearly saying that any person farming pigs needs to have a specific expertise and experience in farming those animals:

Stockmanship

The stock-keeper has the most significant influence on the welfare of pigs. Stock-keepers should be competent in a wide range of animal health and welfare skills, which include:

    handling skills
    preventing and treating lameness
    preventing and treating internal and external parasites
    giving medicines by injection
    providing appropriate care to sick and injured pigs
    care of the sow and her litter
    management of pigs to minimise aggression

Advice from a different source mentions:

Always best to keep both pigs and chickens entirely separate, as there is the problem of disease transfer ie Coccideosis[piglet scour}, etc. -

Certainly both pigs, and chickens, need to be kept at a good distance from each others pastures.

And if the floods come, pigs can actually swim but the poor chickens can't. Chickens have been known to even drown in a bucket of water. Mainly because they panic.

On the question of odor the following may be useful:
There are times where it varies. Any livestock operation will have an odor, as well they gotta relieve themselves routinely. The worst times will be when they empty their lagoons, usually spring and fall. Depending on their size, equipment , and ability , this could be just a few days or could be 2 weeks or so. It will also seem worse in the summer than the winter due to the heat, possibly humidity depending on your climate, and the fact you'll be outside more and probably want the windows open. (Yahoo answers)
The site advises to check the wind maps for your locality.



Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on December 15, 2015, 12:03:21 PM
We have to wait even longer - why yet another delay? 

Why aren't the council advising everyone who has commented? 

Why are people having to rely on the 'grapevine' to hear what is going on? 

Are they hoping that if they don't inform everyone that the objectors will simply melt away?  Are they even following correct process by not advising all parties of what is happening? 

Is it that they are afraid of something?



Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 15, 2015, 12:11:32 PM
If this goes through someone has crossed some ones palm. It is ridiculous how long we have to wait. This will happen under the radar, Is  the council scared of him or making decisions, and as Paris says objectors should be made aware of what is happening It is totally unfair we are being kept in the dark.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Watchman on December 16, 2015, 11:43:28 AM
This issue is becoming very messy indeed.

I am given to understand from a person who "knows" of the gentleman concerned, that he is determined to go
ahead with his plans of either having a piggery on the land and/or a chicken farm, and Planning disapproval,
I gather, will only be seen as a minor set back, with him planning to thereafter submit again and again until
a final resolution is reached.

In the interim, it seems that a piggery is the de facto choice  ...

Like I said, this is messy ... and the sooner the RBWM councillors stop gawking, dawdling and running around like
(pardon the expression) headless chickens and formulate and approve a definitive objection, the better for all concerned.

The longer this issue is protracted, the (seemingly) easier it becomes for the chicken/piggery owner to get what he wants.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 16, 2015, 11:55:03 AM
Absolutely Watchman what are they afraid of the law is their side he should not be doing anything, sheds changing the path. I do feel one morning we will go up the road and there will be 20 pigs what do the council do then
 He has got to be stopped and told its no good putting in more applications we will put in another 828 objections see how he gets on with that.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Gazzetta on December 16, 2015, 12:06:08 PM
Have we all become vegetarians?


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 16, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
Sorry what has that got to do with the price of fish or in this chickens


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on December 16, 2015, 12:36:50 PM
If this person insists on putting livestock on that piece of land, with no other place to keep them in times of flood he is quite simply mad.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, that land is only suitable for grazing during the summer months.  He would do better to let it out to someone for summer grazing and earn a little money that way from it. 

I get the impression from all the shenanigans that he is stupidly digging his heels in and then has the audacity to wonder why people are not happy with either him or his proposals.  This is an animal welfare incident waiting to happen and all because of one person's idiocy in buying a piece of land that is totally unsuitable for what he wants.  If he had any sense at all he would either, like I say rent it for summer grazing or go back to whoever it was recommended he buy it and sue them to get his money back as they shouldn't have recommended he buy it. 

Not only that, it's not even suitable for a piggery any more than chickens.  The fencing will need upgrading by a considerable amount, buildings will still be needed, water and electricity will be needed, vehicle access is still not suitable, that's even if there is a right of access from Strande Lane - the list goes on and on - just like with the chicken proposal.  I know that I for one will not be chasing his pigs around when they escape, which they undoubtedly will if the fencing is not up to scratch.  The field will look like a mud bath in no time with them rooting around, and when the food is gone they'll be attempting to leave; that's if their feet haven't rotted from the wet first. 


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 16, 2015, 01:07:47 PM
These pigs will chew up the land making very unpleasant for ramblers


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on December 18, 2015, 12:29:00 PM
Only visually, he could well fence off the footpath with some really unattractive stock fencing . . . . but if the standard of work matches that of the already erected fence posts I shouldn't think it would take took long before the pigs were out mixing it with the horses next door.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 18, 2015, 04:32:08 PM
This all getting out of hand ???


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Cookham Webmaster on December 21, 2015, 06:47:05 PM
It seems that the Chicken Farm will not be discussed today by the council, but has been postponed until January or February next year.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on December 22, 2015, 04:40:57 PM
Thank you Webmaster for the update.

Such a shame that the councillors seem to think it OK to drag this charade out even longer, when the proposals are obviously so unsuitable for the piece of land concerned.  This is one occasion when things really should absolutely clear with no grey areas.  If this eventually goes through, then I like another poster, will be seriously wondering if there are some back room dealings going on.  If there isn't why the wait?  For those living in the immediate vicinity this must be becoming some sort of living nightmare with no end in sight just a lot of completely unnecessary heartache and worry.  The councillors would do well to remember that we are talking about getting on for 1,000 registered voters being very, very badly let down here all for the sake of one person who doesn't even reside in the Borough, not to mention all of those who won't have written or emailed objections feeling that the situation was well in hand with the amount of objections that have been raised; and of course those who haven't fully appreciated just what could be about to descend on them.

Right after that little rant, I'm off - Merry Christmas everyone!!!!


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on December 22, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
Thank Paris, as usual you put it very clearly and to the point. Like everyone else I am sick of this hanging over our heads. I do not understand what they are dithering about at as you say what he is on about is unsuitable for that land. Any sign of a pigs trotter appearing there I will be onto the Planning department very quickly.




Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Ralph on December 29, 2015, 11:25:33 AM
Seems the cllrs will be putting both these high profile applications through to panel at the same time.

Chicken Farm Vs Woodlands Farm. I wonder which one gets approved. Whatever happens, both these applications impact 'The Cookhams'.

As Paris has already 'hinted-at'.... I also have my suspicions of 'other dealings' going on. It seems, its not what you know, but who you know.



Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: Paris on January 12, 2016, 12:25:41 PM
I've been catching up with the correspondence on the planning portal - seems the environmental protection team have withdrawn their objection, although clarification is being sought as their letter withdrawing says something along the lines of they can't tell him about how much livestock he can have but makes no mention of the environmental nuisance of odour as in their original objection. 

This is all getting so silly and the paper trail is quite ridiculous.  It's worth keeping an eye on the planning portal though to see what is going on, letters and emails from interested parties, though not all it would seem, are still being published there.


Title: Re: Chicken Farm Planning Application Strande Lane
Post by: monty on January 12, 2016, 02:49:03 PM
I bet when push comes to shove, this little git will get permission because no one on the council, planning or whatever has the guts to refuse him. The smells from pigs and chickens will be awful, I don't know what the Environment office is thinking of, our lives in this area will be awful.