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Title: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 09, 2015, 12:56:36 PM
Woodlands Farm, Spring Lane, Cookham Dean has a planning application (15/03388/OUT) in for residential property.

The Planning, Design & Access Statement 'examples' given:


4.13 reads:

The 'DIY' livery business has suffered in recent years due to a decline in horse ownership and as a result of economic climate. Many other competitive venues offer out-door arenas and horse walking facilities, which. due to the topography and constraints of the site, are not possible to provide at Woodlands Farm.

There is a waiting list to 'livery' at Woodlands Farm. There is an adequate indoor arena, and a horse walker is not necessary as riders have direct access to great hacking!

4.15 reads:

These issues coupled with poor soil conditions leaving waterlogged paddocks prevent vital turn-out and grazing in many months. This and the cost of manure disposal has caused several horse owners to leave the complex.

The top paddocks have a clay soil, so are grazed in the summer (as dry). The bottom paddocks have a gravel base, so are grazed in the winter (as dryer). The yard had been on shut down with no turn out for approx 11 weeks . I hear people did leave on a temporary basis, but still paid to keep their stables. According to the 'Horse and Hound'  which livery yards didn't restrict their grazing that year! Also, again... there is a waiting list to get in on this yard! This yard never has to advertise its vacancies!

4.18 reads:

The occupancy of this apartment was restricted to a person solely or mainly employed at the equestrian business (LPA Ref:03/40262). This restriction was amended in November 2012 to allow occupancy by a person employed on either a full or part time basis at the wider business premises (LPA Ref: 12/02812/RLAX)

It would be interesting to see how the apartment was originally 'applied' for?




Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: Paris on November 09, 2015, 02:06:09 PM
Bl**dy hell!  So not only houses at the top of the hill (Woodlands) but if Mr C gets his way houses at the bottom as well - how long before the two bits end up joined? 


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 09, 2015, 06:40:16 PM
Its a scary thought that there is so much proposed development within the Cookhams. We should be protecting our 'green' areas, as these are what make the village a desirable place to live.

Cannon Court has dissolved its stabling, as its going to be built on. I hear Lee Farm is doing the same. And now Woodlands Farm is ear-marked to be redeveloped, which farm is next on the hit list? Is there another farm/livery yard left in the village . . ?

Do we really want to see all farms raised to the ground, to make way for million pound plus housing (as thus is what keeps 'the Dean' desirable . .but lose the 'Emmerdale' appeal . .then you have a 'bog standard' location, that could be anywhere!).

Woodlands Farm dates back historically to 'Doomsday'. The buildings themselves may not be quite so significant, but it still looks like a farm, and is a profitable business (who runs a dead end business for years on end?. No one).

The Farm provides 'livery' to 35 horses, many owned by local people who have been a livery for over 20 years. Again proving this to be a viable business.

As quoted in the recent Cookham Parish Magazine, a fantastic location for a number of 'Start-Up' companies.

And the owner being a pillar of our community and thought of fondly. It is sad to think that such a fate could be hanging over the farm.

Where will all the horses go? Without the horse riders, who will help protect our green spaces, support the National Trust, and keep the 'rights of way' open for all to enjoy.

What would the Cookham's become without horses. No local Forge/Black Smith on a Saturday morning, putting new shoes on our equine friends.

The amazing carriage driving potentially gone.

The youngsters growing up in a village, lose out on riding / owning a pony, with this being the last well equipped DIY yard in this area. Because, owning a horse or pony, really is 'a poor-mans' game. Its good for children to do practical stuff, away from modern technology.

DIY is exactly that. Do it yourself, as no one can afford Competition yard prices . .!

Cookham Historic Society should be following this application closely.

As for Cllrs, you should ask yourself, do we really want to affect the Cookhams in such a way, that we loose everything that makes a village a village?

As to the liveries @ Woodlands . .which owner would ever "object" to such an application, without being asked to leave? Like Cannon Court Farm, no livery would object, if they thought it meant their equine companion was saved from leaving . . or worse . .those that live in close proximity to farm land . .with vengeance of having a chicken or turkey farm opening up next door, as pay-back. Who would object?.

Stop building on the farms and farm land!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 10, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
Its funny. I thought the Cookham Residents would have been bothered about these developments. No additional thoughts or comments, not even from the Cookham Society.




Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: JTAP on November 10, 2015, 04:54:47 PM
Its a real shame about Woodlands. Its in the best possible position for outriding; and despite what is claimed in the planning application it has the best grazing for miles around. Where else would you get fields rotated every season; the paddocks are very well maintained and have the best grass all year round. So many other places are over grazed. Its only in the last 3 years or so that turnout has been restricted during very wet weather, it never was prior to that! At least not that I can remember ! But then lockdown is standard practice for most yards; I cant believe thats been cited as justification for planning! On top of which the landowner has made many improvements over the years; refurbished stables, new drainage and resurfacing of the yard to mention just a few. Hence the waiting list for stables! And the facilities are perfectly adequate; good enough in fact for a young unschooled youngster to be trained to advanced level dressage. Oh and the BHS states that horse riding is more popular than ever; it certainly isnt in decline as is claimed!  Yet another contradiction!

Then there are the hoards of bats at Woodlands but sadly every building is to be demolished .... no wonder there was no bat report included in the planning application even though they claim one was done. At least I couldnt see one when I looked !

How on earth can you leave 60 acres or so of prime grazing without any supporting farm buildings..... or is that phase 2 ??


Title: Farm at Cookham Dean - planning?
Post by: catnip on November 11, 2015, 10:12:31 AM
Anyone heard about the intended plans for the farm at Cookham Dean (woodlands); what a shame! A beautiful place to be spoiled yet again with houses! Interestingly, it says currently no use, I have a friend who keeps a horse there and has done for over 10 years - along with at least 20 other horse owners. Obviously intending to 'shush' the actual current usage!




Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: catnip on November 11, 2015, 10:20:11 AM
Ah, just seen this, absolutely agree, absolute shame for yet more 'top end, costly housing' projects to overtake such a plot of beauty.
I too feel for those directly affected, as said, a friend has their horse in livery there and have been for over 10 years. It is more like a community itself I understand, and a place of unity!
Why do we need more houses....although I understand there is not enough housing in the area, but of course, at the prices these developments would be listed at, not the 'average' home-buyer would be able to afford.
Very disappointing. Greed will always rule ones head than heart.


Title: Re: Farm at Cookham Dean - planning?
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 11, 2015, 11:12:32 AM
I thought there would of been more of an up roar from the Cookham Residents seeing yet another Farm wiped off the map. My mistake. Perhaps bikes and Lycra is the new 'Dean' look?

Sad it loses its Emmerdale attraction, if the stables go. Bet it will level out the 'house' prices playing field in the Dean, as there will be more choice . .

As mentioned under another message board . .  how long will it be until this part of the Dean is 'joined' to the planning application that another farmer has for Whyteladys lane? Only a field keeping the two areas currently separate!.

I think the planning will get approved, as the Cllrs seem to be all in it together (referring to the Advertiser photo shoot of Bridleway 19 , congratulating each-other on the new drive way. And one of the Cllrs verbalising a fellow rider (when asked for their opinion), obviously gave a different answer!).

The Cookham Society take membership payments, yet are not picking up or fighting for sites like this! And this is an 'historic site' . .  May not have a Sir Stanley Spencer painting of it . . but on 'googling' its the last Farm standing in the Dean!. And from Goole Maps - a very attractive farm!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: JTAP on November 11, 2015, 12:05:02 PM
I always thought there was a need for affordable housing , not £2 million + ones... which is what I think we are talking about here.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: catnip on November 11, 2015, 12:44:59 PM
Very very sad. What will happen to all those people who have horses at the stable and yard? As mentioned, Cannon Court, Lee Farm not an option... not a case of 'rehoming' or worse!

And yes, homes for the high bidders only - GREED by landowner.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: JTAP on November 11, 2015, 04:18:25 PM
I never thought of this particular landowner as being one of the greedy ones. I cant help but feel its the architect who is the greediest and will benefit the most financially from all the advice and consultancy, planning applications and then designs of 3 rather large properties, maybe even project management of the build. Not to mention the further planning applications that will surely follow. Whilst the landowner loses what has been a steady and not insignificant income for the rest of his life, not just from the livery yard but from all of the commercial premises. It must be quite a wrench for him to do this to the family farm and I cant help but feel it isnt the right decision! But then mine doesnt count!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: Watchman on November 12, 2015, 11:03:47 AM
Is Simmons still the land owner of Woodlands?


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: JTAP on November 12, 2015, 12:16:29 PM
Yes Watchman you are correct ....


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: catnip on November 13, 2015, 02:00:17 PM
Maybe the title of this post should be amended as then enables greater awareness of the topic - as somewhat misleading topic currently for such an important matter.
Just a thought.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny / George Clark.... The Farmers Are Coming !!!!
Post by: Paris on November 13, 2015, 03:41:01 PM
Good point Catnip.

This is a serious issue, and I can't quite get my head round how on earth with one landowner wanting to build on greenbelt to make affordable houses available, others are being permitted to plan for non-affordable housing in the same area.  Surely if the need is for affordable residences then luxury pads should be refused permission?

Our planning controls have to be the barmiest in the world.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 18, 2015, 12:40:00 PM

...... or What works best for the Cllrs......... :-X


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on November 19, 2015, 11:19:03 AM
Houses for Livery Stables??

A column in this weeks Advertiser on the Cookham page outlines clearly the problem
of maintaining a Livery yard at Woodlands Farm in Cookham Dean.

The statement claims that due to a decline in horse ownership; due to the many and varied
facilities available at other competitive venues; due to the topography of the site and due to
the dilapidated state of the buildings which no longer merit reinvestment ... it has become unviable
for Woodlands Farm to continue as a Livery Yard.

Now I'm no horse owner. Nor can I vouch for knowing about other yards offering competitive venues,
however, I have seen the buildings at Woodlands and they are dilapidated.

This issue therefore begs the questions  : 
Are the Simmonds Partnership really selling horse owners down the river here?
Would you (as a horse owner, for example) reinvest vast sums in a loss making venture just to appease other horse owners?
Would you not write this all off and sell up ... presumably there are no other horse mad buyers
for Woodlands who would run the venture anyway ... take the money and run?

I think it's time to be fair here and allow the Simmonds Partnership some say in what they, as
the owners in a loss making enterprise, do with their property.
Surely they have appeased horse owners for several years now, and it is time to quit??

Just my thoughts!
I hasten to add I have no attachment to nor any interest in, any party here - mine is just an honest observation!



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Paris on November 19, 2015, 12:16:38 PM
Of course you could argue that a) Woodlands is not a competitive venue, it is a livery yard and as far as I am aware any events will have been organised by the liveries for their own amusement, and b) the buildings are in a state because the Simmonds have failed to keep up with maintenance requirements over the years.  There is a requirement for good livery facilities in the Cookhams and Simmonds could have one of the best if they put their minds to it.  With all the closures it won't be long before all that is left are the places in the floodplain and even they will have nowhere to go when the floods arrive if all the fields are being turned to gardens for grand houses.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 19, 2015, 05:41:20 PM
Buildings in a state?

Come-on . . . Pull the other wellie off!

What a load of tosh!

Roofs do NOT leak, it has sound flooring and walls, electric, water, electric fencing. There is nothing wrong with the farm!

Drainage has been dug across the fields . .  Farm machinery updated. The place is totally SOUND!


Someone is trying it on. This is NOT a run down farm, in fact, its better maintained than some houses in the village (soon to be a town).

Anyhow . .it will get planning. It will get pulled down. . .and it will be another talking point in years to come of 'who was stupid enough to allow it'?

Face it, these equine enthusiasts are keeping those Cookham fields green!

And watchmen . .  it saddens me to think for someone that could be counted on. . . You seem to think this is a good idea?.

This village is corrupt!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on November 19, 2015, 06:34:37 PM
One thing to consider apart from the stables themselves are the 10 businesses currently running from the units on Woodlands farm that are both run by and employ local people. They would need to find alternative premises which are few and far between in this area. Having lived in other areas where commercial properties are turned in to residential the result tends to be that during the day the areas become ghost towns as everyone is forced to travel away to work only returning in the evenings.

I have been present at some conversations between business owners based at Woodlands farm and it would seem that the owner is attempting to pacify them by telling them that he is only applying for planning to get a valuation of the land with planning permission before handing it over to his son, therefore reducing their inheritance tax liabilities. Not sure if that works like CGT where your taxable liability is the difference between the value you bought at and the value you sell at?

It would be rather sad and also deceitful if the farm owner were spinning this yarn to lull them in to a false sense of security so that they don't object, only for them to be served notice to leave in the new year.

As has been said before in this chain, these are not affordable houses these will be very expensive ones, so it is all about generating the maximum amount of profit for the land owner with very little benefit to the local community!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 19, 2015, 06:59:30 PM
Thank you Merriman for taking the time to write a supportive thread. Even if planning is granted, your words have lifted my spirits that there are still some people that 'question' what's happening here to the local community.

I feel like a weight is hanging over me. 31 horses at Woodlands, 36 at Lee Farm, 11 remaining at Cannon Court . . and no available DIY Locally . .

Where do all the locals move their equine pets to?

Yards in Windsor, Maidenhead, Holyport and Bournend have long waiting lists .

Do we (like the hunting community) finally give up and have our horses destroyed . . because they are not " Competition" animals, but hairy happy hacking pets.

Its so sad that we lose our little bit of 'Downton Abbey' from the Dean.



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on November 19, 2015, 09:43:14 PM


And watchmen . .  it saddens me to think for someone that could be counted on. . . You seem to think this is a good idea?.



On the contrary JJF, I'm neither for nor against the proposal involving Woodlands Farm.
All I was doing was highlighting the phraseology used by the Symmonds Partnership as quoted in the Advertiser.
Perhaps I  was playing devil's advocate in firing up a discussion by quoting the "other" side of the spectrum.

Either way, my point is perfectly clear.

Why don't the horse owners/riders all club together to buy out Symmonds?
Perhaps a wealthy equine party can splash the cash to lock-in Woodlands Farm's future?

I don't know the answers ... all I can say is that Symmonds has probably run his course with Woodlands
and has now, perhaps in retirement, taken the opportunity to call it a day by selling up.
The inheritance tax gig mentioned by Merriman makes sense to a certain extent...
Whether this is followed up with a withdrawal of the proposal to build is another matter altogether.

Frankly, in my honest opinion, and to be perfectly frank - I really don't see that Symmonds owes anyone anything.
He's been a stalwart to horse owners for an awfully long time.

Check out White Place Farm.
Once stables, now a living complex with barn conversions!
What happened there is now perhaps being contemplated by Woodlands.
Who knows ... December 4th will determine the outcome.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 20, 2015, 07:40:04 AM
Watchmen, really . . I've laughed so much at your comment, re all horse riders clubbing together to buy Woodlands.

You happy to donate a few million then to a worthwhile cause?

Your missing the point . . .

These are not Competition Horses . . the owners are not wealthy people, nor indulged spoilt brats. If they were wealthy, then perhaps they would be rubbing their hands and already putting offers in on the proposed building plots!

Yes, I understand why the Simmonds partnership would want to develop, who wants to run a business in this day and age. BUT what about morals and future generations? What about the impact to Cookham itself. Sadly everything is being corroded  away at the edges.

I will be watching on which Cllrs support this application, as they will not be getting my vote in the future.





Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on November 20, 2015, 09:32:01 AM
Quote
  BUT what about morals and future generations?

When an owners' business is losing money, who, other than those immediately affected, considers
it the moral obligation of the owner to continue, ad infinitum, to provide the services that said
loss making business offered in the past ??!

Let's just say, for arguments sake, that Symmonds hiked up his charges to horse owners by
100 percent to cover the running costs of his loss-making business.

Would that appease the horse owning clientele?
I very much doubt it somehow!
They'd rightly be up in arms about the rise in fees!
So who then foots the bill .... so that he "fulfils his obligation" to appease horse owners who,
for their part, don't want change whilst wanting to ensure service as usual ?!

It's kinda heads he loses and tails the horse owners win, don't you think?


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on November 20, 2015, 09:35:40 AM
I so agree with you JJF - I too find Watchmans comments about dilapidated buildings way off the mark! The buildings are very well maintained and in fact some have been built in the last 10 years and are very smart! In my view they are better than most of the yards round here and I happen to know most of them.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on November 20, 2015, 10:12:13 AM
As stated in my previous post there seems to be little consideration for the 10 small businesses that will need to relocate if the proposals go ahead. Also there must be around £100k of income right there that I haven't seem mentioned in previous posts referencing the financial situation with the farm. These businesses also contribute to the daytime Cookham economy by using local shops and restaurants.

This case does not directly affect me so I am not about to enter into yet another planning battle but I notice on the planning application that there is only one objection from a member of the Cookham community siting the village plan. I also notice from the planning website that the Parish council intend to look at the application during their meeting next Tuesday the 24th. and a local planning decision is expected by the 4th December. So if anyone wants to do anything about it they had better be quick!

The planing application can be viewed here: http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/view.jsp?ID=15%2F03388%2FOUT





Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on November 20, 2015, 11:18:04 AM
Like Merriman, I too have absolutely no axe to grind on this issue.

I just feel that, rightly or wrongly, if a company claims continuing losses and backs this up
with proof through financial statements and accounts, then, other than those
directly affected by the closure, who can then, hand on heart, blame the owners from closing down said
yard/farm/company/plant/business ?

Unless this claim is disputed with counter submissions proving otherwise, then I honestly
feel that those persons who consider themselves hard done by the closure take a closer look at the
broader picture, leaving aside "morals and future generations", and regretfully accept the inevitable.

Or else do something about the situation by buying out said loss making company/business in order to maintain
its' existing lifestyle, as I, honestly, do not feel that it is a God-given right of others to dictate direction or course
of said loss making company purely to satisfy their own means to the detriment of others - viz., the owner.

My argument here is a million miles away from that which I hold against A.N.Other landowner in these parts who
blatantly sells off prime green-belt land which is not a loss maker, in order to achieve vast profits benefitting
only himself, whilst claiming the sale is purely to "benefit society".


It is however interesting to note, per Merriman's post, that there is only one objection to the Woodlands revamp.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 20, 2015, 12:41:23 PM
Watchman - I'm not getting into a ''heated debate'' with you.. as frankly, you seem to be having fun just shooting random comments from the hip.

To clarify - IF the Simmonds Partnership was having to put in for planning permission because the farm was no longer a viable business, then of course fair play.

The Farm is very well maintained, and does not give off an vibe of being run down. It even employees an Estate Manager as an 'Odd-Job' man on a very good wage. If your business is failing, then you look at what you can do yourself, in other words, cut the slack out.

This is not a failing business,its a professional business, and IF the Simmonds Partnership wishes to raise the DIY Livery Charge, then I am sure the equine owners would support this in order to stay. For what the farm offers, NOTHING within a 50 minute drive can beat it.


MOST OF THE LIVERY EQUINE OWNERS LIVE LOCALLY HENCE STABLED AT WOODLANDS. IF THEY OBJECTED, THEY WOULD BE KICKED OFF. SAME SITUATION AS CANNON COURT. CHECK-MATE. SO CLLRS MUST TAKE THIS FEAR INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN DETERMINING THIS APPLICATION.

Anyhow - I don't know why I'm wasting my breath, this is going to get approved anyhow, no matter what this discussion thread says.





Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on November 20, 2015, 01:54:10 PM
JJF - nor do I want to elaborate the debate - and certainly, for my part, it is definitely not heated!! 
And trust me, my points are not random and are certainly not shot from the hip.
They focus on the reality of the situation not on speculation as to how people "gauge" Woodlands Farm
through its appearance rather than factually via documentation!

Do you know for certain that the Simmonds group are NOT losing money in the farm, despite the farm "looking good"?
Why haven't the equine owners not already approached him to offer a higher livery to off set his losses?
Why has the situation got so far down the line without any effort on either's part ('cept Simmonds who has put in
for planning permission for the site) to seek a solution?
If, as you say, this is a done deal, then the equine owners have nothing to fear about being 'kicked off' the farm
for objecting to the plans!
And why is there only one objection to the Plan?

As you so rightly say -

IF the Simmonds Partnership was having to put in for planning permission because the farm was no longer
a viable business, then of course fair play


Anyway, I repeat I have no axe to grind here ... I just feel a tad confused as to why so much  vitriol
is thrown at the owner, (based on pure speculation and oblique equine related opinion) of a loss-making farm
just because said owner wishes to achieve an alternate solution to alleviate his personal losses! 

Anyway, I hope that I've made my point and will now withdraw from the "heated debate" !!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on November 20, 2015, 02:33:10 PM
The problem is that there are a large number of untruths in the planning application and for my part this is what really irritates me the most. For example it refers to the 'redundant' buildings when in fact there are none. It refers to a 'declining livery yard' when it always has been and still is a thriving and vibrant yard with a waiting list. Then there is the criticism of the fantastic grazing; I could go on and on.

Everyone with a horse there has a pretty good idea of what income that generates based on what they spend. And it doesnt take a lot of nuance to gain an idea of the income from the business side either, but sadly I dont believe for one moment its part of the planning process for planners to pour over any financial statements to check out the truth. Its not about being in a loss situation, its about making a bigger pot! I find your comments very naive Watchman.

I certainly hope there are more objections to the planning application over the next few days. Certainly horse owners there feel they are between a rock and a hard place; object and get thrown off the yard with no where else to go and cant even give your ageing horse away. Draw your own conclusions.



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: catnip on November 20, 2015, 03:32:36 PM
Well this gets worse in terms of reading the actual planning. Comes across as a very un-used, run down and not at all a concern of use at all. How deceitful by the landowner. Having taken a look and read in detail the plans, very clever of him and sly.

What I also wonder is how many locals will actually be aware (perhaps more so since the Advertiser editorial) of the plans? Is anyone concerned who live close by? Does anyone actually care? It seems not by the lack of comments. Of course, not everyone is internet savvy!

Some very real and relevant comments from all, what a shame that some feel its not worth saving. A shame that locals do not feel intent upon supporting the local businesses that will be affected and of course, the people who have been a part of the farm for many years and have grown such a solid community through horseriding and of course using the land as it should be used 'Woodlands Farm'.



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 21, 2015, 11:19:44 AM
I think the problem is, those that 'livery' are the locals, who feel they cant say anything for fear having marching orders served on their equine.

I don't think the Simmonds Partnership can be held fully responsible for the 'reasons' given to support the application, because they are paying a contractor to push the application through for approval. Therefore its the contractor that's being dishonest and distorting the truth. For instance, the photos taken to support the application, must of had a dodgy camera lens to make the place look like something from 'withering heights' where you can just make out one figure (sadly not a Heathcilff) at the top of the muck heap concrete ramp!. BUT  . .on the other hand . .someone from the Simmonds Partnership would of had to of signed off the application.

Oh' did you see the thread of ' office space' wanted to rent. Perhaps they could contact the Simmonds Partnership  and be placed on the waiting list also, as currently they are all full!




Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on November 21, 2015, 04:59:23 PM
As Jumping Jack Flash has said, I don't think it is that people don't care, more that they fear reprisals such as being evicted or having their rents substantially increased if they object. Unfortunately one of the criteria of objecting to planning is that you have to give your full name and address, which whilst understandable leaves the objector open to abuse. This is why societies such as the Cookham Society can be very useful to object on behalf of community members without their individual names being made public. Has anyone tried this approach? I have found them very helpful in the past but as this application does not affect me directly I don't really want to get involved or I feel I may risk getting a reputation as a complainer, then when something turns up that seriously affects me their attitude will be 'just ignore him he complains about everything'.

Talking with someone to get a general feel for things up there, it would appear most of the business units had their rents decreased by 20% about a year ago. At the time they thought this a kind gesture but was this really just to reduce the profits and make the business look less viable? I will let you decide. No matter what the agents are doing they are acting under instruction from the land owner so I am sorry but I think all parties know exactly what they are doing and are FULLY responsible. I don't know the details of planning law that deal with non profitable farms but I guess the planning agents do which is why they have chosen that track.

Having fought numerous battles in the past and won and lost in similar proportions, I find you have to remove emotion from the battle as councils are just seeing if the application either meets or doesn't meet the guidelines that they are issued with and are quite cold hearted, especially with all the government pressure to build more houses.

One thing that does stand out to me here part from the very obvious attempts to devalue the business. Is building 3 mansions when there is a shortage of affordable housing. A few years ago friends of mine bought an old 50's bungalow in the Richmond area, with a garden of about half an acre, they intended to knock down the original house and build a new house on the land. They were told in no uncertain terms by Richmond council that due to the size of the plot if they knocked down the original house they would need to build 3 house due to regulations for that size of the plot. I don't know if RBWM have a similar rule but then do the neighbours want 10 affordable houses up there? I can't second guess the developers as to which direction that could take things if that was the case.



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: wannabe on November 21, 2015, 06:50:54 PM
The RBWM rule is that the house(s) you build must be in keeping for the area. So you can't knock one big house down and build some smaller ones.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 21, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
Merriman,  thank you, your thread made very interesting reading.

I'm actually really shocked that Simmonds Partnership gave a 20% reduction to the rented offices, especially when the liveries every year have had a price increase to the livery. Not forgetting that you can only buy your, hay and bedding from Woodlands at a cost, with another VAT price included.

And IF you ordered bedding or hay/haylage from "outside" you have to pay a surplus for doing so.

So you see, from what Watchmen commented on . . it is not / was not a failing business  . . unless  . .the Simmonds Partnership want it to fail? BUT I find it had to swallow, when there is a charge for using a hose pipe if your equine has an injury. And a charge for booking the indoor school if you want to use it for personal use . .also, you have to request use of the 'sick paddock' when your equine is ill.

Everything has either a charge, or is tightly controlled. Therefore, being run like this, I really do not think, the Simmonds Partnership would allow a business to fail??

I'm seriously worried now, as there are NO DIY stables locally (FYI Whiteplace Farm had a massive waiting list, and also apparently already over 100 horses).

Sorry, and lastly . . I still think the Cookham Society are not that helpful, as the person I spoke with about the pig track (Bridle way 19) sided with the land owner! Useless!

As Mulder and Scully would say from the "X-Files" Trust No-One! . .



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on November 21, 2015, 10:41:38 PM
Being nosey and Googling around .... one of the business units was advertised at £9500 pcm rent (I can only presume that was in fact a mistake and it meant pa... ). Not quite sure when that was but yes £100k seems not far off the mark. Then there is the service charge on top of that of £350 pa per unit.

I cant get my head around why the council would approve this though, given the big loss in revenue from council tax/rates. Each unit generates around £4k pa, plus revenue from the remaining livery/residential elements; its clearly considerably more than they would ever earn from 3 houses.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on November 23, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
Well it would seem that today is the last day to raise objections to this application, so if anyone wishes to object they had better do so. For businesses or horse owners alike if planning is approved you are booted out anyway and if planning is refused your rents/fees will be going up regardless of whether you object or not. Looking at the planning in detail it would seem that this planning process has been going on for several years and has already been through a pre-planning action. So any changes that have taken place by the land owner over the last 2 years have been done to facilitate the approval of this application.

The main grounds that I can see for objecting is the change of use of the land from a facility that is of great benefit to existing local people as both a place to keep their horses and a much needed base for small businesses that give employment to local people, to a use that will only benefit 3 home owners that may well come in from outside the area.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 23, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
Whatever happens, the offices and liveries only have limited time to stay, because at some point this is going to happen. These Farmers/developers know how to work the system.

I was really shocked about this thread, where it mentioned that the office units had received a 20% discount to their rentals one year. Which makes me believe that this 'planning' is not for 'inheritance tax purposes' but really is for redeveloping of Woodlands Farm Buildings.

I'm winding myself up... but I don't understand why non equine owners are not bothered about this development.... perhaps its time I thought about moving out of the Cookham's before it loses its charm as a village.

The Cookham's are being changed right under our noses!

Look at the other farmer... how can they get planning for residential on one farm (Cannon Court Farm)  claiming its non functional use - then on the other hand, create another farm out of thin air (Switchback Farm) and put in for planning for a barn, that would easily turn its self into future housing.... and what with the new driveways and the 'Bridle way 19' being turned into a fully operational driveway... there's the road!

I thought Cannon Court Farm was redundant because he didn't need the buildings any longer.... so why a new barn required?

Are our planners 'brain-dead'.... ' Cookham Society' (soon to merge with Maidonian society) are short sighted....why are they not questioning what is starring them in the face?

What are our Cllrs doing about all this?



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on November 23, 2015, 12:23:42 PM
Notice the '2 storey with basement accommodation' that equals 3 storeys right ? ... and all lit up at night !


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 23, 2015, 12:26:27 PM
Also (sorry I don't mean to hog this thread)...

But have you seen another Barn with sky lights in, from that track backing onto Whyteladys lane (you can see it clearly from the top of Woodlands Offices).

Another future house ?


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: wannabe on November 23, 2015, 12:40:51 PM
The pick your own shop?


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on November 23, 2015, 08:32:20 PM
Or ....

A meticulously measured barn ... avoiding RBWM strict planning laws .... to house yet another
shop...  Wedding Hire ... Funeral Parlour ... Car Showroom ... who knows ... to accompany
The Equine Centre and The Formal Hire Shop - both off Long Lane.

This would serve to create the village he is clearly planning as a lasting memory of a "caring farmer" ...

Copasville, anyone?!!



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 23, 2015, 09:46:46 PM
Ooo I like that one 'copasville' .  .yes that must be it!   . . . Like Marlow being known as Shanley-town . .


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Greenpound on November 24, 2015, 10:33:46 AM
Those concerned about this issue may like to know that the Cookham Society has now sent a comprehensive letter to the Royal Borough objecting to this proposed development.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on November 24, 2015, 01:37:45 PM
So pleased they have done that ..... see a few more objections are in also!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on November 24, 2015, 07:11:35 PM
How long does it take and how many prompts do The Cookham Society need before they pull their finger out
and do something constructive about a situation?.
They always seem to be behind the four ball, always the very last to do something about a situation, never the leaders.

If this sounds harsh, it is meant to be.
So many times I have noticed their reluctance to take the initiative, invariably stepping in at the eleventh hour
when everyone has had their say - before they pick up the vibes and then finally act upon it.

C'mon Cookham Society - let's see you openly and visibly get involved in the negative melees that involve us residents
and let's see you initiate discussion and debate about the things that do affect our Society.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 25, 2015, 09:57:54 AM
Couldn't agree with you more!..

The Cookham Society should of been on this issue from the start. Its not good enough to show 'good gesture' at the end, when its been stressed on this thread that the livery's and offices are not in a position to object!

This is when the Cookham Society could really win more members, if they are the voice for these types of issues.

So I've heard the Parish Council was positive . . BUT we need to ensure that the objections can not be over come.

I still think these farmers know how to beat the system 


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on November 25, 2015, 11:06:04 AM
Yep, farmers have a come a long (though not necessarily righteous) way since Old MacDonald ...
.... eee I eee I oh!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 26, 2015, 12:57:33 PM
IF the Cookham Parish Council allow this to get permission, then more fool them!

Let it be said  . .What they allowed to happen to Bridleway 19, was the start of the 'Cookham's" being changed.

Forewarned is to be forearmed !

If these Cllrs allow this to happen, then we need to vote in new Cllrs!






Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: wannabe on November 26, 2015, 04:12:56 PM
It's not up to the parish Council....


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on November 26, 2015, 04:48:29 PM
If people don't stand against this kind of action eventually all the character will be removed from the Cookhams and it will sadly just become a collection of dwellings with no soul.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 27, 2015, 01:24:19 PM
Hence, we need to challenge all these major applications that change the character of the Cookhams forever!



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Greenpound on November 28, 2015, 10:28:11 AM
The comments sent to the Borough regarding the application can be viewed on the RBWM site:

http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/planning_application_search.jsp?appnum=15%2F03388%2FOUT

They include those of the Parish Council and the Cookham Society (Community comment No. 7).



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on November 30, 2015, 03:57:34 PM
I stated earlier that all objections needed to be in by Tue 24th Nov before the parish council meeting but I have found out that objections can be lodged up to the date of the RBWM planning meeting on Dec 21st.  So, as the horse riders, stable users and business owners are all to frightened to object directly for fear of being either stopped from using the stables or being thrown out of their business units or rents being increased hugely, we all need to object on their behalf.

Here are the instructions on how to get onto the planning portal to look at the application and to object.
 
1) Go to http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/search.jsp
2) Search for the reference 15/03388/OUT
3) Click on "Comment on this application", under the related links

Not sure what to write?  Something that includes these points…building on Greenbelt land, proposal is in violation of VDS with significant Stanley Spencer paintings painted from the ridge of the hill, big loss to all horse owners as it's the largest stables in the area, huge population of protected bats, barn owls, house martins nests, loss of business and income and jobs to Cookham if the 10 x businesses need to close or relocate.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: jumpingjackflash on November 30, 2015, 05:57:17 PM
Thank you Merriman.

We already have one Farmer determined to change the face of Cookham forever, lets not let both farmers be able to 'join' housing plots, losing the character, desirability and the tranquillity of the village forever.

A BIG Thankyou in advance to anyone that sends in an objection! ;D








Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on December 19, 2015, 02:12:11 PM
Woodlands Farm planning application to destroy 10 local small businesses, stables and wildlife breeding colony to build 3 houses
 
Please get your objections in now to stop this.
 
It’s not too late to object as the planning panel meeting got moved and will probably be on January 20th now.
 
So, as the horse riders, stable users and business owners are all to frightened to object directly for fear of being either stopped from using the stables or being thrown out of their business units or rents being increased hugely, we all need to object on their behalf.
 
Here are the instructions on how to get onto the planning portal to look at the application and to object.
 
1) Go to http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/search.jsp
2) Search for the reference 15/03388/OUT
3) Click on "Comment on this application", under the related links
 
Not sure what to write?  Something that includes these points…building on Greenbelt land, proposal is in violation of VDS with significant Stanley Spencer paintings painted from the ridge of the hill, big loss to all horse owners as it's the largest stables in the area, huge population of protected bats, barn owls, house martins nests, loss of business and income and jobs to Cookham if the 10 x small entrepreneurial businesses need to close or relocate.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Snippet on January 11, 2016, 01:03:47 PM
Woodlands Farm is a vital part of our community. The units provide income for many of us and the livery yard is the best for miles around. Very few have indoor schools I am told.
It looks like it will go to the planning meeting on the 20 Jan so still time to make your feelings felt to the council planning dept and pass the message on. I would like to hope that Woodlands Farm and the Strand Lane applications will be dealt with as separate issues. It is not a question of either or.
Loosing the farm buildings at Woodlands farm will alter the use of all the adjoining land. This land is highly visible from all of Cookham and beyond.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: forum poster on January 19, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
I see the Architects have put in a reply on the planning portal to all the nasty mean people complaining about the "Executive" housing proposal.

http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/pam/planning_application_search.jsp?appnum=15%2F03388%2FOUT

For all the noise about it just being an "outline" application they are certainly putting in an inordinate amount of effort, there is after all much money to be made here.....All issues and concerns batted aside as per usual and the normal criticism of peoples genuine concern for a dramatic change to their environment. I suspect the outcome will follow a well established path...


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: forum poster on February 04, 2016, 02:50:25 PM
As with so many of these things, they just seem to be going through the motions....let the plebs have a moan then get on with doing whatever it was you wanted to.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on February 10, 2016, 03:22:54 PM
If the applicant/architects are so concerned about providing much needed accommodation, it begs the question why on earth are they only applying for 3 houses, each on a 2/3rd acre plot ?


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on February 10, 2016, 03:37:30 PM
Just taking another look at this application, there are some further comments appeared since the last time I looked, including a bat report from the RBWM ecologist. It claims no bats were seen emerging or returning to roost!!!! Ive seen large numbers of them on a daily basis over last summer, so what on earth is going on !!!!! Im quite sure the applicant must be aware of this... how could he not be!!! ????

Anyone got any pics of the bats by any chance ????


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: James Hatch on February 10, 2016, 03:53:56 PM
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Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on February 22, 2016, 05:42:06 PM
Quote
How does this site meet the demand of RBWM's housing allocation? Should this site (IF to be considered for development) not include AFFORDABLE HOUSING?

One whisper of "Affordable Housing" on the Woodlands Farm site, and you'll find that the entire population of Cookham Dean
will be up in arms ... protesting ... making "NO" placards ... burning effigies ... camping outside their Councillor's garden gates ...
attending the RBWM meeting en masse ... introducing bats to the barns ... and picketing the Farm's front gate!

No, No, No!
One cannot mention "affordable housing" and Cookham Dean in the same breath, doncha know!

Now ...  3 detached houses with 2/3rd acre gardens each will do very nicely, thank you very much!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on February 22, 2016, 05:59:19 PM
I had thought the Cookham Society had stated Woodlands was still officially classed as agricultural as opposed to equestrian although I dont really understand the difference in planning terms!   

I still struggle with the basic proposal of developing all of the buildings when there are still 25ha of prime grazing land to be supported. It can only mean ongoing planning applications/buildings to provide housing for machinery and whatever else. I hate the idea of Berkeley homes executive style housing being built there, as illustrated in the sample pics within the planning proposal. Its totally out of keeping with the bulk of the housing in the dean.

Personally Id prefer a larger number of smaller houses .... if all else fails. I cant see how they could ever be termed affordable though given the location.   


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on February 23, 2016, 12:38:53 PM
Upon searching the previous applications for Woodlands Farm ( 03/40262 FULL) the barn ear-marked for one of the houses was permitted as AGRICULTRIAL !


And if this barn is no longer required for Agricultural use - should it not need planning  permission ???????????

What's stopping ANY FARMER from putting up Barns, under permitted development as AGRICULTRIAL and then sitting and waiting a few years to convert to housing?

Also, Cllrs and the planners should be reading the history of why previous planning applications were approved ( 10/36112, 03/40262, 04/01332), and why the reasons originally given are all of a sudden redundant.


Like others have mentioned before.... are these Farmers actually clever Developers ?

What is RBWM doing about this? How can RBWM PLANNERS allow this? is there not an ombudsman ?

What's happened to the Cookham Design Statement? Does this not count when determining applications/changes within the Cookhams?

Also, those that vote for such changes should have their names recorded/listed on the application approvals, as we all know that sometimes Cllrs over turn the councils recommendations.



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on February 23, 2016, 03:06:30 PM
Unfortunately this is common practice, businessmen buy farms, convert the barns to dwellings, convince the council they need new barns for whatever reason, then say the farm project was unviable and not making a profit due to the unforeseen cost of supplementary feed or similar, then apply to convert them to dwellings and so the circle continues.

I have pointed out this type of behaviour to the council several times but nothing ever seems to change. Once a concrete footing has been established it seems difficult to stop the process. I noted on one occasion the same piece of grazing land was being claimed by 2 farmers as a reason they each needed to erect a new barn, one was the owner and the other the lease holder.

I was recently told by a friend of Mr Simmonds who claimed he had in turn told them that, he was tired of running the farm and was looking to cash in by building the proposed houses at the top and that he had already in principal agreed an offer from that well known local farmer GC for the rest of the land. Who knows this is just something I was told.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on February 23, 2016, 05:22:41 PM
I have long thought that a deal would have been done on the land with a local farmer .... interesting that the planning application lists the future use of the site as equestrian. So clearly it must be a viable business currently.  If thats correct ... it means more building .... somewhere for the machinery to maintain the paddock land and make the hay and manage the muck heap ... somewhere to store the hay and straw .... tack and feed rooms and stabling for 30 horses ???  And then 10 years down the line .....the cycle repeats itself. In 20 years time I can see the whole of that land covered in houses all the way down to the Rise.

I find it a real shame so many people have been left in limbo not knowing what will happen to their horses when it appears further plans have most likely  been made and not shared.



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Snippet on February 25, 2016, 11:22:53 AM
Woodlands Farm
Just to remind every one that the application for the demolition of all the buildings on the farm including the business units, to be replaced by three large houses has yet to be decided. You can still write to the planning office and your councillors.
The proposal will mean the loss of a community of local people, their jobs and a way of life for many.
Are you prepared to see Cookham turn into suburbia with no horses, ponies and children.
in addition the loss of all the wildlife that lives amongst these buildings.
Once the buildings and people have gone the whole of this large block of greenbelt land which forms a break between the Rise and the Dean will be at risk of a takeover and further development, loss of trees hedges and wildlife.
The fantastic view from the farm over Cookham to Cliveden and Windsor will become the sole property of 3 wealthy families.
The 3 new houses will not be within the budget of local people.

I am not sure about the future use as equestrian as referred to before I can not find it anywhere please clarify.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on February 25, 2016, 12:25:27 PM
With reference to Snippets comment, if you check the 1st document listed on the planning portal, Application Forms in section 13 it states

'Please describe the activities and processes which would be carried out on the site and the end products including plant, ventilation or air conditioning. Please include the type of machinery which may be installed on site:'

And the response provided is :
'Equestrian related activities and machinary'

Note Section 14 describes the current use of the site which is listed as
'Equestrian, Offices and Residential'



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on February 29, 2016, 12:20:00 PM
Reading the 1st document listed on the planning portal 'Application Form' Section 13 - you are right, it does still mention 'equestrian related activities and machinery' - but surly this is just 'text' to complete a tick box.

If it was intended to keep the place 'equestrian' the Simmonds Partnership should of built more stables and then applied for the existing stable units to be converted to housing (not the other way round, as the argument being provided is that there is no longer a need for equestrian use, sort of shoots themselves in the foot).

I do wonder though about box 9 ' current residential units' = 1 flat? are the two cottages that were 'notified' not also part of Woodlands Farm?





Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on February 29, 2016, 06:57:38 PM
Another chicken farm maybe ??? .... or even a pig farm ????


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 01, 2016, 12:25:17 PM
Expansion of 'Pick Your Own' perhaps? Who knows.... perhaps more will be known once a decision has been made  :-\


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Dragonman on March 03, 2016, 12:17:21 AM
Hey Ralph! Just returned from a nose around Woodlands Farm. I see there is an industrial sprout growing there already, with the name of Centric System Ltd. They do have a website, and they are not agricultural or horse related.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 03, 2016, 12:21:10 PM
It seems to me, reading the objections - that the Cookham Society are holding onto the 'National Planning Policy Framework' Paragraph 89 (pasted below):

Paragraph 89:

A local planning authority should regard the construction of new buildings as inappropriate in Green Belt. Exceptions to this are:


•buildings for agriculture and forestry; - Not Applicable here for Woodlands Farms Application.

•provision of appropriate facilities for outdoor sport, outdoor recreation and for cemeteries, as long as it preserves the openness of the Green Belt and does not conflict with the purposes of including land within it; - Not Applicable here for Woodlands Farms Application.

•the extension or alteration of a building provided that it does not result in disproportionate additions over and above the size of the original building; [color=red]- Well, changing single story buildings into two story houses, with additional lighting, built over the existing buildings sq footage, sectioning off the land to create formal gardens, with fencing (urbanising an area) with car park, garages and gated is surly considered disproportionate to what already exists?

[/color]•the replacement of a building, provided the new building is in the same use and not materially larger than the one it replaces; - Not applicable, as replacement buildings are not being used for the same use.

•limited infilling in villages, and limited affordable housing for local community needs under policies set out in the Local Plan; or
•limited infilling or the partial or complete redevelopment of previously developed sites (brownfield land), whether redundant or in continuing use (excluding temporary buildings), which would not have a greater impact on the openness of the Green Belt and the purpose of including land within it than the existing development. - this is a complete redevelopment, full visual infilling of previous open buildings on the VERY EDGE of the village of Cookham Dean, with great visual impact. This application does not include 'Affordable Housing' for the local community needs, therefore such a development surly does not meet local housing plans.

RBWM and the CLLRS should be very clear with a response when making any decision to this application at Woodlands Farm. As if they misinterpret the 'National Planning Policy Framework'  - they are opening the flood gates for all other 'ex-Farm buildings' to come forward and be redeveloped.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Dragonman on March 03, 2016, 03:06:04 PM
Thanks for that update Ralph. Maybe we should be a little more nosey in a few other places. Especially when they are somewhat hidden from the road!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 03, 2016, 07:49:09 PM
Well Dragonman, I think those in the Dean, should watch their neighbour's closely.

And . . .

We should all be watching these land owners 'Corroding' the cookhams . . with their 20 year building plans . . !

If these Cllrs vote such changes in . . then it's time to vote those Cllrs OUT!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Paris on March 04, 2016, 12:27:27 PM
Good grief, this is all getting too confusing for words - presumably that is the name of the game though, get the councillors (who probably aren't planning specialists) thoroughly confused, and then by the time the dratted houses have been built and money has changed hands it will be far too late for anything other than a demolition order that won't get passed because there is nothing viable left to replace the houses with. 

I think you are right Ralph and Dragonman, we do indeed need to start talking account of 20 year plans, and dare I say it taking a closer look at relationships as well when voting time comes around again.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 06, 2016, 09:38:22 PM
Heard that the 'Ockwells' livery yard (Ockwells Park, Maidenhead)is closing.


Assuming another development? . . .



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Paris on March 08, 2016, 11:51:08 AM
OMG - I know people there as well, one only moved there recently as the grazing in Cookham was lost.  Soon there will be nowhere left for anyone to go, it's heartbreaking that the leisure pursuits of so many people are being affected by all this (no doubt) Crossrail induced greed.  There are bound to be people at their absolute wits end over all of these yards closing, I fully expect there will be horses and ponies losing their lives too, or being passed from pillar to post at the sales because their owners could be forced into giving up.  Not only that, and this is one of my main objections to the Woodlands proposition - everyone wants to build and move here not because of need but because it seems a nice pleasant green place with horses and dogs and (dare I say it) good cycling on and off road and yet when all the houses have been built there will be none of the things that so attracted people left.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 08, 2016, 01:48:50 PM
So . . I hear it goes to panel 16th March, and the planning officer is recommending it for approval. So, has the officer misinterpreted the NPP paragraph 89?

This just opens the flood gates now for all farmers (cough), developers!

Reading the officers report, it begs belief. .  .so many questions spring to mind!

1). Is Woodlands truly considered equestrian or is there an element of agricultural?
2). The planning officer is proposing to restrict the height of the houses, but what about the width and length of the replacement buildings?
3). What about the main old barn? Could this not be a non-designated heritage asset? this has not even been assessed!
4). It seems very odd, that affordable housing has not been mentioned to be built on this site, as I understood according to planning policy, every site has to make provisions to include 'affordable housing' . .how is it, that this site is exempt . .and a donation of £190k really enough of a donation? . . when these are million pound properties. How can this development be allowed to pay such a small amount, when it should be including affordable properties on site.
5). Looking at the plans . . It looks as though the levels of the land has been raised, surly if this is the case, does this not have impact on the openness' of the landscape . .rather intrusive looking up to woodlands from other locations.

Problem is with the planning officers is that they don't take into consideration of the views from elsewhere. Defiantly an encroachment into the countryside.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on March 08, 2016, 08:41:46 PM
Planning officers have been overruled in the past .... fingers crossed!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Dragonman on March 08, 2016, 09:10:00 PM
The thing that bothers me is, how did Centric Systems Ltd get permission to open up without planning permission! Who are lining their pockets? I am sure one of our eagle-eyed posters would have heard of this.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 09, 2016, 08:03:52 AM
Hi Dragonman, is Centric Systems Ltd not just another small 'start up company' ?

I remember reading in the Cookham Parish Council Magazine (2015) that the Simmonds Partnership was proud to support these small start up companies, by providing 'start up premises' at this farm in Cookham.

Having bumped into a worker from one of the offices based at Woodlands - they said that they guessed something was up when a bat survey was being conducted in 2014.. its like everything in the Cookhams... no-one does anything for nothing... there is always a plan behind the scenes = /


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on March 09, 2016, 11:54:05 AM
This would be a perfect site for either 15 affordable homes or about 30 affordable flats.

With the RBWM councillors so very keen on building affordable homes/flats in and around the Borough,
I find it surprising that no councillor (whether Tory or ... errrrrr Tory) has come up with the idea.
Strange!

Or could it be that they consider Cookham Dean not to be an area within which to build affordable homes?
Probably because 3 RBWM councillors live in close proximity ........ do you think?!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 09, 2016, 01:05:53 PM
Exactly my thoughts Watchmen.

Why is it, that now RBWM believe the site can be allocated to be developed (as they consider it, according to the 'planning officers report'), that this is 'previously developed land...ignoring the NPPF Paragraph 89... and opening up the gates for all farmers (cough, choke) developers to build!!

If this is now being approved for housing, then the site is large enough for AFFORDABLE HOUSING... so how can this site, only be asked to make a SMALL donation of £190K.... towards affordable housing???? (not even an 'affordable house' is affordable at £190K).

Questions, questions, questions !!!!!

I'm not voting these Cllrs back in.... and as to RBWM..... the Officers Report is missing out on answering questions.... it's like they have written it to just get it 'off their desk'... does no-one sign these things off? I guess not, by the amount of hideous extensions and redevelopments that is and has been allowed in the Cookhams!

I thought the planners job was to enhance the area we live in, not tear it apart!

Well, lets see what happens at the next meeting.... and if approved... I think a few 'Boo's ' need to be shouted out to the approving CLLRs!



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Snippet on March 10, 2016, 11:50:19 AM
We should all be concerned about this development.
It will set a precedent for much more development everywhere.
All one needs to do is make out that your building is old and run down and you can build houses.
No account has been taken of the historic importance of some of these farm buildings to Cookham.
We are in danger of destroying too many of our historic buildings.
The rural nature of our village will change for ever. Do we all want to live in suburbia?


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 10, 2016, 01:20:59 PM
Lets hope the Cllrs are worth the extra income they are paid annually (someone said 24K per year????) for being voted in, to represent the community.

Lets hope they don't 'play at' pretending to care by objecting and letting the application go to 'Appeal'  for an inspector to make a decision. But lets hope the Cllrs have the balls to make a firm decision and actually earn their money and their votes - to make the right decision and squash the application once and for all.

It would be great to know which Cllrs support the application - then I know who not to vote for in the future!

Looking back to 'Bridle Way 19'.... I'm not voting those Cllrs back in!

Remember - Livery Owners and Office Personal's hands are tied... they can not object, for fear of being evicted for opposition to the application.




Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on March 10, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
Sadly Snippet, it seems perfectly clear, that no one is interested in the finer things in life such as historic or rural or countryside
or beautiful views or rustic settings.
This is very apparent where the RBWM councillors are concerned (refer their approval of 'Cookham Formal Hire' on Copas land
in one of his ex. barns).
The comments expressed by Snippet above ought to be embossed on a plaque and handed to Ms Susan Sharman, the RBWM's
"Planning" Officer, the person who has wholeheartedly (it appears) approved the plans as submitted by Simmonds.
She is clearly governed by strict adherence to what is "right and proper" (regardless of circumstance), viz.,  
"as this is a privately owned site, none of the community exceptions are applicable." (her words, not mine) -
rather than any interest in anything historic or rural.

If that is the case, why not impose upon the developer an incentive to build affordable homes for all the 'not so wealthy' in the area.
I'm sure they too would love the views, and let's face it, 30 houses on a site which has submitted plans for THREE would go some way
towards alleviating the problem of housing in this borough. A penny for the Cookham Councillors thoughts!

At the risk of assuming too much, I would suggest that the finer things in life have perhaps passed the RBWM Planning Officer by....
by about 2 miles over her head.  I would further suggest that the lady does not live in these environs ... and that 'suburbia' is
perhaps a sweeter word (in her dictionary) than the word 'rural'. I would love to know her full explanation on why she approved the
plans when the Cookham Parish Council negated them unanimously as they felt the plans did not conform with NPPF.

I digress.

The sooner RBWM councillors are made to realise that Cookham IS being torn apart by the developers (farmers, if you will) the better.
The only way I think they could be persuaded is by us mortals voting with our feet and voting them out at the next election.

The Riverside by-election today offers a good chance to change things around, but rest assured, it will be yet another Tory capture.

Wake up Councillors and smell the roses ... stop giving way to 'sweeteners and sweet talk' and do something about the Cookhams,
because if you don't, generations to come will only have copies of Spencers paintings to remind them of the past beauty of this parish,
suburbia will have taken over and Cookham will become one massive segment of a renamed Maidenhead - Cookhead or Maidenham.

Take your pick.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 10, 2016, 03:20:57 PM
Thank you Watchman , excellent comments!

Thinking back to the 'Bridle Way 19' episode . . It was highlighted that Cllrs were seen having 'drinks' - half way down the track with the farmer! . .


Wonder if the same situation will occur with this application?


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 16, 2016, 09:44:51 PM
APPLICATION WAS APPROVED.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: forum poster on March 17, 2016, 08:47:37 AM
That is just rubbish news. Typical myopic view by the council, yet again....Soon there will be no business premises left, everything is turned into housing to make a select few lots of profits. Offices, pubs, you name it. I just feel sorry for the current incumbents and horse owners who are cast aside in order to make someone money. Sets a precedent for other farmer/developers to cash in and fill every square foot of Cookham in housing. Sad day...


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 17, 2016, 12:08:13 PM
Apparently ...the decision was ultimately made, because it was considered a failing business! (the business accounts should of been reviewed!).

The Cllrs are pathetic, small minded people who are past their 'sell-by-date' and fresh blood needs to be brought in!

Paragraph 89 of the PPF has not protected this Farm, which now sets 'principal' for all other Farmers / Developers to convert / re-develop all other buildings in our area....

Pandora's box has just been opened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on March 17, 2016, 01:50:49 PM
I notice Richard Kellaway voted in favour of the development. I think it is time we stopped voting for the old school Conservatives and voted Green at the next local election. May be then we could stop the 'old boys club' destroying our village for personal profit!!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: forum poster on March 17, 2016, 02:38:31 PM
Can we see a list of who voted for what somewhere? A real old boys network as you say, and especially as the proposer was a prominent member of the original Cookham Plan, that is until I guess something changed...


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on March 17, 2016, 03:18:37 PM
I just just heard from someone who was at the meeting last night that 5 were in favour of which one was Richard Kellaway and 5 abstained and there were no votes against. My friend said the planning committee had clearly made up their mind before the meeting and weren't interested in any objections. It was granted as the existing farm was not making a profit which we all know was instigated by the lowering of rents on the business units etc. A sad day for Cookham as I feel this is only the beginning of increasing developments, which is why we need a council that has the majority of its residents at heart not the select few.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on March 17, 2016, 05:04:40 PM
I notice Richard Kellaway voted in favour of the development. I think it is time we stopped voting for the old school Conservatives and voted Green at the next local election. May be then we could stop the 'old boys club' destroying our village for personal profit!!

I've been banging on that particular drum for several years now with regard to this Council.
Nothing - and I mean nothing - will benefit (in real terms) the populace of this Borough as long
as there exists a total,  and again I mean TOTAL and absolute majority of Tories on the Council.

You can scream all you like till you are blue (pardon the pun) in the face, but with the likes of
Kellaway and his cronies in charge, nothing will be achieved which will in turn enhance the lives of
residents in the Cookhams.  As long as he and his buddies cosy up to farmers and developers
I'm afraid that the inevitable will happen and this beautiful area will ultimately be swallowed up
in crass urbanisation, all with their blessing and approval.

I note that no mention was made of considering "Affordable Housing" on the Simmonds
site during the Councils' deliberations. Funny that ...!
Taboo words those, when associated with anything to do with Cookham Dean.
But, ironically, lauded when it comes to other pockets of land/ segments of open space/ critical parts of the Borough.

Go figure!



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 17, 2016, 07:09:38 PM
ACTUALLY, GOOD POINT . . .

Where is the AFFORDABLE HOUSING? IS THE 'DEAN' SO EXCLUSIVE, THAT A SMALL DONATION IS CONSIDERED  SUFFICIENT?

QUESTIONS !????????????????????????????????????????

WHO the hell are these Cllrs? PLONKERS. Get them out of their seats!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 18, 2016, 11:11:47 AM
I understand that the meeting is recorded, so we should be able to listen to what was said on-line . . I will google . .!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on March 18, 2016, 01:46:49 PM
It is all very sad and deeply worrying.... if not infuriating. I wont be voting any of these people in again, they have lost my vote. I gather the secretary of state is being asked to see if they wish to review the application .... wouldn't it be nice to be able to have a say in that .... but I assume we can't !!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on March 21, 2016, 10:05:54 AM
It appears that the other two Cookham Tories spoke out vehemently against the application,
but then abstained from the voting.
Kellaway, who chaired the meeting, voted for it.

One therefore begins to question what planet the latter inhabits.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Paris on March 21, 2016, 12:10:07 PM
If you speak against something why on earth would you then abstain from voting?  I don't just don't understand any of this at all.  Short term gain for a few people will be the ruination of the Cookhams roll on the next election so we can vote these people out.  Of course, we'll need others ready to stand against them, but from the feelings running on this board there may not be a shortage of independent candidates . . .


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on March 21, 2016, 01:11:14 PM
If councillors speak out against a planning application but then abstain it makes you wonder why? What did someone use as a lever? I guess we are unlikely to find out unless the name of someone linked to the applicant just happened to appear on a list of Conservative party donors.

There is probably not much we can do but I suggest when we get closer to the next local parliamentary elections we remind the residents of Cookham how our elected councillors behaved on this occasion and why we need to enforce a change to stop this kind of behaviour! The Tories are too comfortable so don't care how they treat the residents of Cookham.



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on March 21, 2016, 03:37:14 PM

I would question why they make it so difficult for 'normal residents' to file planning applications.... yet for something that is so major, and a large site that could accommodate 'affordable housing' - why it was soooooo easy to approve at the first planning meeting????.

Yet even if they felt it was approvable, and sacrificed this site to save other parts of Cookham (Pound Field / Whyteladys Lane fields), then they could of included 'affordable' housing here.

The Planning Officer was totally bonkers for determining that Woodlands did not fall within the National Planning Policy Paragraph 89 - meaning  - thank you for opening 'Pandoras-box' to the other farmer/developer and his ''barns''.....

And the Cllrs ..... what can you say.... short sighted idiots...!







Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Snippet on May 27, 2016, 03:48:16 PM
Unfortunately the so called shake up within the council has come to late to help the community at Woodlands Farm.
The planning Committee do not seem to represent the people who voted them in.
It is very sad to see the community of people who run businesses and keep horses up on the Dean having to go out of the area. These are all local people who care about and are part of the village, many of whom will no longer use the shops and pubs and may even have to move elsewhere. All of this just to provide housing for a very few very wealthy people who are not part of our community.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on June 02, 2016, 01:07:11 PM
Just saw Whyteladys lane is on again, same time as Pound Field.... and any other barns applications for future sprawling housing.....


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: tudorrose on June 03, 2016, 04:22:10 PM
Just saw Whyteladys lane is on again, same time as Pound Field.... and any other barns applications for future sprawling housing.....

Whyteladyes and the Chicken Farm are up for debate at the Development Control Panel next Tuesday 8th Ralph not Poundfield (I understand Whiteladyes has been recommended for refusal - fingers crossed). I expect it will be July or even August before the Pony Field Oakford Homes app goes in front of the MDC by which time there will probably be another planning app in for the rest of Poundfield to fight! Cookham is really under siege from developers at the moment.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: monty on June 03, 2016, 04:28:06 PM
Chicken farm also recommended for refusal I had a letter of response from Council from the two complaints I put in. We need to get rid of these people who want to ruin Cookham.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Mac on June 04, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
The full list of councillors and their contact details below:

http://rbwm.moderngov.co.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx?FN=WARD&VW=LIST&PIC=0

The planning committee is as follows:

http://rbwm.moderngov.co.uk/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=133

I wonder if members would start paying attention if contacted and lobbied through their Facebook or Linkedin accounts?


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on June 06, 2016, 04:01:53 PM
In answer to your question Mac, NO, they wouldn't pay a blind bit of notice.

They'd call it harassment .... remember the East Berlin fences around the RBWM when a handful
of homeless people appeared to protest outside the Council Chambers?
They're awfully twitchy these precious councillors.

The only way to get them off their backsides is to vote them out at the next Borough election.

And lest you think I'm a Commie agent in disguise, this is me, a lifelong Tory, submitting that suggestion.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Ralph on June 07, 2016, 07:40:24 AM
I second that! I was a conservative voter... NEVER EVER AGAIN!

Useless Cllrs..   not looking after the residents  / 'The' Cookhams interests !


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Paris on June 07, 2016, 01:39:38 PM
From a planning perspective, I think we may have been better off with the liberals - but I say that somewhat nervously and with no party bias as I wasn't so interested back then as I am now.  Cookham is certainly coming under more than its fair share of troubles these days though, so I won't be voting conservative again either.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: James Hatch on June 07, 2016, 03:00:13 PM
I know Paris you are too young to remember Miss Ethyl Gordon our chain smoking village postlady. She was a political firebrand, if ever there was. She never missed a political meeting to badger our local MP.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on June 08, 2016, 12:25:22 PM
I second that! I was a conservative voter... NEVER EVER AGAIN!

Useless Cllrs..   not looking after the residents  / 'The' Cookhams interests !

I wonder if these  councillors (the Cookham brigade especially) ever read these pages.
One would hope that they do and, should they grow a pair, perhaps respond to some of the grievances aired here.
Chance would be a fine thing  ...

Oh look, another piggy takes flight over Cookham .... with Kellaway and his dynamic duo screaming for it to be downed,
citing 'elf and safety over the Woodlands Farm mansions, whilst side-stepping the chicken debacle in Strande Lane!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Paris on June 08, 2016, 01:27:09 PM
What has Miss Ethyl Gordon got to do with it?  We're talking about the madness of our current councillors, not a 'political firebrand' from days gone by.  The current mob seem to have totally forgotten that they have been elected by us and can quite easily be un-elected at the next polling day.  I can only hope that there are enough independent candidates or candidates from other parties to vote for rather than the same old faces.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: JTAP on September 13, 2016, 09:36:15 PM
I have been led to understand that this application is to be discussed again on 28th September at the planning meeting .... as the original decision has been discounted. I find this very odd, can anyone shed any light on this ?


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Snippet on September 16, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Hi
Yes I have heard to same. As it stands the same application is going back to Planning on the 28 Sept.
We need to spread the word in the Dean before things change for ever.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Merriman on September 16, 2016, 08:47:39 PM
I heard a rumour that Mr Simmonds had received an offer from a rich businessman to make the plot in to one big house instead of 3 separate ones. I wonder how that sits with government policy of using available land for affordable housing?

I have been watching the planning site but nothing has changed as yet.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on September 19, 2016, 11:34:17 AM
Taking Merriman's point further ...

Wouldn't it be the height of irony  if Farmer Simmonds managed to get planning permission for one large manor house
(instead of three large houses) on his site up in the Dean, whilst Farmer Copas keeps getting refused, certainly after
two attempts, as he seeks permission to build 3 "affordable homes" on the site he's offering off Whyteladyes Lane!

Classic!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: catnip on September 19, 2016, 12:13:00 PM
What is needed is for the local immediate residents to show additional support and attend the next meeting at the Town Hall on Wed 28th Sept.
Are people aware? Do they realise the impact on this stunning area and its views? The loss of local business, the loss to the livery clients at Woodlands Farm?
Why could the site not be developed as a livery/equestrian business? Surely if site was to be advertised in Horse and Hound and other online equestrian sites, the farmer would have numerous offers for purchase! After all, this land has always been used and adhered to as 'agricultural' use, and so it should continue.

So local residents/and beyond.... stand up, show up, Wed 29th Sept!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on December 01, 2017, 12:32:28 PM
Richard Simmonds has just been licensed as a Lay Minister serving both Cookham Churches!

A farmer ... a land owner .... a property developer ... an MEP ... and now a Lay Minister !

Remarkable !



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: UncleGavin on December 01, 2017, 06:36:10 PM
I take it the 'Lay' part of his title refers to his penchant for trying to lay concrete wherever he can.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: CLIPPER on December 04, 2017, 12:48:45 PM
Cookham Dean is becoming the NEW ASCOT.... gradually having its charm eroded. Such a shame.



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on January 11, 2018, 10:14:28 AM
Thread Bump ....

I note from the Advertiser today (Cookham page 33) that Simmonds, having previously "squeezed" through a
successful application for the building of three houses on the farm buildings site at Woodlands Farm,
is now seeking to erect just the one mansion instead........... ooops, sorry, one dwelling on the same site.

Would this possibly be Simmond's relenting and converting the site into an affordable housing project then for
all those homeless and aggressive "vagrants" from Windsor (sic. councillor S. Dudley)?!
Yeah .... rite!  ;D

Roll up, roll up all ye RBWM Councillors who heartily supported the original Simmonds' application
and let's ensure another 50 - nil approval vote!

PS -  Dudley might be excused on this occasion as he faces a "No Confidence" vote over his hairbrained comments last week...
... ( BUT I would wager he will sail through with the help of all his cronies)!

As you were ... No change then!

Pip pip!


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: CLIPPER on January 14, 2018, 04:42:17 PM
What is going on with all this massive changes in the Cookhams ? Whats happened to the village design statement that is allowing the charm of the 'Cookhams' to be eroded at every corner !

I can not believe the charm of the area is being physically stamped out ! Look at the lovely Huntsmans House GONE ! Another VERY MOCK Georgian building being slapped up in its place.

I understand at times things need to change, but Woodlands Farm was a massive corner stone for Cookham Dean, I'm afraid its no longer such a desirable place to want to be.

What is it with our Cllrs ?

And lastly - what the heck has happened to the 'pound' in Cookham.... the 'sleeping police men' are now tarmac, I thought this was a conservation area ?

Cant wait to retire to a real village - at least the Cotswolds  have the right idea... if your going to build, at least make it fit in within the area. Rant over.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: Watchman on January 25, 2018, 10:36:42 AM
Thread Bump ....

PS -  Dudley might be excused on this occasion as he faces a "No Confidence" vote over his hairbrained comments last week...
... ( BUT I would wager he will sail through with the help of all his cronies)!

As you were ... No change then!

Pip pip!

Told you so!

His shameless tory lackeys on the council voted overwhelmingly to keep Dudley in power, despite the furore his comments
created, not just in Maidenhead, but across the entire country, including the Prime Minister!

What does it say about the members of RBWM,(bar the 7 Tories who voted against Dudley) - when they support their leader
rather than the overwhelming majority of the Boroughs residents (and the country's) who abhorred Dudley's comments.
Whose interests do these councillors truly represent?
Dudley's or their residents?

Shame on their toady, gutter crawling and timorous attitude towards their sole intention - retaining power, whatever the cost.

This was a golden opportunity to sling Dudley's hook and they wasted it.
Who knows ... it might have created a fresh start for them, had they elected a more amenable and approachable leader.

All I can say is this - Roll on the local elections in 18 months time, when this Borough's residents can vote with their feet and
literally kick Dudley and his lackeys off the Council.


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: CLIPPER on February 02, 2018, 02:42:14 PM
I second that !


Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: CLIPPER on February 27, 2018, 06:06:22 PM
Does anyone know what is going on at Woodlands Farm?

Driving up long lane I could see some strange plastic fencing in the fields. At first I thought it was put up to protect the sheep, but it looks more like the sort of fencing used to do a 'slow worm' count?????

You don't think there is another planning application about to go in, once environmental surveys are complete ?

Ever more aware of Cookham slowly changing - like the building structures gone up for the doggie day care.... and Huntsman Cottage pulled down along with other developments going on up in the Dean....

Slowly, slowly...... I think we need to have a review of the Cookham Village Design Statement  - and get areas put forward to be included within the conservation area, otherwise give it a few years Penelope Keith will think she's viewing a new town !.... 



Title: Re: Move Over Sara Beeny/George Clark.. The Farmers Are Coming!(Woodlands Farm)
Post by: monty on February 27, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
 I hate what is happening in Maidenhead and here why can; people leave things as they are I don't go to Maidenhead unless I have to the whole thing is a mess.