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Author Topic: Plane Noise Again  (Read 48946 times)
James Hatch
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2008, 09:38:53 PM »

Let me explain to you all once again. The predominant wind direction in the London area is from the south-west. All aircraft have to take off as close as possible into wind. Each aircraft using the same runway has to wait 3 minutes before taking off behind the preceding aircraft, to let the vortex effect disappear. Prior to take off each captain is given what is known as a clearance. In this clearance he is given a specific heading and altitude for safety separation. Then to contact London Centre for radar identification and further clearances. That in a nutshell is what's happening. Why not ask any airline pilot living in or near Cookham to ratify what I have just said.

Now, all I can say is for you to pray for a good steady North East Wind. Then you will get the landing aircraft, but their engines will not be going full bore.
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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2008, 03:51:18 PM »

Well, there's your answer, Tina - just wait for a good north-east wind to blow up before you next invite friends to tea!
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Jo Jo
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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2008, 04:36:31 PM »

James, you don't think that the extra noise could also be due to the fact that the aircraft have now dropped 2,000 feet over Cookham from 5,000 to 3,000 feet?
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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2008, 04:38:35 PM »

Well the plane noise could soon disappear if Boris Johnson has his way: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/3041662/Boris-Johnson-wants-London-airport-on-island-in-Thames-to-replace-Heathrow.html

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The scheme could be up and running within six years and is likely to be located near the Isle of Sheppey in Kent. Passengers would be transported to and from central London on high-speed trains in about 35 minutes with luggage checked in at the station rather than the airport.
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James Hatch
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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2008, 07:28:48 PM »

In reply to JoJo: Yes of course it would, the problem is with London Air Taffic Controll Centre. They may have a safety reason for it, only they can answer that one. You see the air traffic density in the London area has grown so big in the past few years, it has become a controllers nightmare. You may not know this, the working life span of a Instrument Flight Rule contoller is very short due to the pressure they work under. They simply just burn out.
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Jo Jo
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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2008, 12:41:58 AM »

James, the government is arguing that because the night flights scheme pools noise data over the three London airports, it does not have to take specific action on what is a Heathrow problem. Although probably half the early morning planes coming in to Heathrow would not be allowed to fly in, if the government looked at Heathrow in isolation. Also if you look at the website given to us by Mark, you will see that the planes are landing not taking off http://lhr.webtrak-lochard.com/template/index.html.

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James Hatch
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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2008, 02:01:45 AM »

I was a civil servant as well at one time! This is an old trick, where they take a group of statistics, lump them all together and divide by three or four,or what ever suits their needs. In other words try and pull the wool over your eyes, and that of anyone else.

A independant sound survey is the only way to go, and bear any weight it would have to be carried out by the local council and be certified evidence.
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Jo Jo
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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2008, 11:03:37 AM »

James, if you had read this thread, that is exactly what has happened, several Councils are trying to take the government to court over it, you can read the Press Release on page 1 of this thread. Also it is not the flight controllers who have decided on this, it was an expensive consultation document set up by the government on changing the flight paths and heights of the planes making assumptions that will not happen, so they can get round EU rulings as they are hell bent on a third runway. In addition the government failed to inform half a million people who they said they would contact for feedback including Cookham Parish Council. Maidenhead Council along with many others plus the Mayor of London are fighting it and have applied for Judicial Review.
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James Hatch
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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2008, 02:55:18 PM »

Sorry JoJo: Your thread you posted would not come through my filter network. Thanks for putting me in the picture.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2008, 08:26:26 AM »

Jabber, This is an excellent suggestion. The web postings are getting a little circular now (planes are lower; no they're not; they only land over Cookham; no they don't; the aviation industry is doomed so stop worrying; no it isn't). Might I suggest a meeting at the Crown in Cookham? (It being rather centrally located and underneath all the flightpaths in question!). I know that the Cookham Society are also concerned and are looking into it. Apart from writing to Theresa May and the council I've done little else. A committee would certainly allow us to take things forward more constructively.

Would you like to suggest a time for an initial get-together? If we take things slowly and carefully; step by step without too much emotion; I'm sure that we can achieve a lot.
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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2008, 01:29:57 PM »

Good idea, but let's try to do this the correct way.

Members of Cookham Parish Council should also be there, so that they can tell us clearly what the options for Cookham are/have been to date and exactly what they have done about it for us so far, and will be doing.

The Parish Council will have received all the official documentation on this matter which the Cookham public needs to see and, as our elected representatives, they should now be leading the parish in whatever action is necessary.

There is strong feeling on this, so will the Crown be big enough?
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2008, 01:39:03 PM »

Sounds like a great plan.  Anyone know when the deadline is for consultation.  We don't want to get ourselves organised only to find out we've missed our chance to have a say.
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James Hatch
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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2008, 02:37:52 PM »

Good to see you are getting organised: Remember it all very good to fill in forms and sign them but, you must have recorded evidence to go with it. Otherwise they will find another excuse to brush you aside.
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Jo Jo
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2008, 05:35:58 PM »

I believe the Cookham Society are looking at the problem of flights and noise. What we can do is bombard the Heathrow Airport Noise Line which is free of charge on 0800 344 844 where specialised trained staff will do all they can to investigate whether an aircraft has broken the rules and, if possible, try to prevent it happening again.  There is a quota of night flights that is permissible.

You can see the NATS proposals for the 'both way' use of the runways by 2009 and the third runway proposals at:
http://www.consultation.nats.co.uk/downloads/13/download_consultation_document.html/

There was an article in the Times yesterday saying the government was going to ignore feedback and go ahead with their plans for a third runway anyway. It even mentions a fourth runway and a seventh Terminal!

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article4806137.ece

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James Hatch
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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2008, 10:58:57 PM »

Don't wait for elections to come round Jabber. The best for you to do is start campaigning now. You, will I am sure get quite a lot of supporting followers and votes.
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