Equitable Life

Trapped Annuitants

supporting the With-Profit annuitants of Equitable Life

 

PROPOSED LITIGATION 

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

Last Updated: Friday, May 07, 2004 16:45

 

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

 

There are a number of questions that keep being asked by members of ELTA. These are general replies and I must stress as always that none of the ELTA committee are professionally qualified to give you advice and thus these replies are only guidelines and reflect our understanding from the advice we have been given. If in doubt you must seek professional guidance from Clarke Willmott or of course you can choose another professional advisor that you know. The choice is yours. The questions will be added to and updated as we have more feedback.

Am I qualified? We established a two stage process so that WPAs could fill in the forms, copy their documents and get professional advice and all for a modest £100, of which £20 comes to ELTA to help fund our activities. The only people who can advise WPAs if they are qualified are the lawyers at Clarke Willmott. 
Will Clarke Willmott refund the £100 if I do not qualify?

No, the £100 is not refundable. You will ONLY be asked for the £900 is in the opinion of CW you do qualify to participate in the group action.

Can Widows join in the litigation? If the Widow or Widower is disadvantaged by the reductions passed through by the Society, then the Widow is entitled to make a claim for compensation against the Society. However, as above, the individual must complete all the forms, send them plus £100 to Clarke Willmott who can make the assessment. 
What happens if I die during the litigation? The executors of your estate can continue to litigate on your behalf and any compensation awarded will be distributed according to the Instructions in Your Will.

What happens if I was advised by an IFA?

It depends on the circumstances which can only be assessed by Clarke Willmott once they have seen the WPAs papers. So the WPA must complete all the forms, send then plus £100 to Clarke Willmott who can make the assessment. 

What do we pay if we both have annuities with the Society?

The rule is as follows:

  1. Couples who are cohabiting at the same address count as one. Thus the fee is £100 upfront and £900 if accepted.

  2. Divorced couples that no longer live together and that have a joint annuity count as one. Thus the fee is £100 upfront and £900 if accepted.

Can I claim Legal Aid and still join the litigation? If you qualify for Legal Aid and that is NOT easy, then subject to the usual caveats above, yes you can. But you will have to go and see Clarke Willmott to complete all the forms. 
Why can't we transfer our annuities to another provider? There is no reason why this cannot be done provided you can find someone willing to take you on and the Society gives it's consent. It is not for me to pre-judge the response of the Society but historically the Society says it cannot do this! 

Also bear in mind, that the annuity you would get from another supplier, (once the Society had computed how much of your original consideration money was left, less any transfer costs, less any MVA that the Society might make, and the large reduction in Annuity Rates over the last few years), might be only be a small fraction of even the reduced annuity you are getting from the Society. Apart from security of supply, you might decide NOT to transfer out.

We signed the Compromise Deal, so aren't we prevented from suing the Society?

You only signed away your right to sue the Society over the GAR issue. In fact this right was taken away from you by the majority vote even if you didn't sign the Compromise Deal!

 

You are not prevented from suing the Society if the product you purchased does not meet your reasonable expectations. In other words it was mis-sold. In the case of the WPAs, if you did not realise that as much as 50% of your annuity could be removed and used by the Society for other purposes for example, then you were mis-sold! Or if the representative failed to mention that the Society kept no reserves to protect the WPAs from a downturn in the stock market then you were misinformed and thus mis-sold.

Aren't we suing ourselves? 

No, you are suing the Society. This is the most frequently asked question and is best answered by a number of examples:

 

1) If you had an accident, went into hospital and the surgeon just got it wrong and you came out severely impaired as a result of the hospital's or its staff's negligence or incompetence, would you say I won't sue the hospital because it is funded by taxes and as we are all taxpayers I am only suing myself? No, I guess not!

 

2) If your PC blows up in your face as you are reading this text and you are injured and it transpires that the PC is not fit for purpose, would you not sue the company because you also happened to be a shareholder? No, I guess not!

 

It is the responsibility of the Society to manage its affairs prudently with regard to the nature of its business and its clients. Lord Penrose appears to show that this was not the case. What are we supposed to do? Say, “Well that’s OK then, just so long as I know why I am poor I can rest easy in my bed?”

Aren't we taking money from other members?

If it was your expectation that your lifetime's savings for your peaceful retirement were to be used by the Society to give to other members, then of course you have no complaints. But if someone used your credit card to take your money for their purposes and you sued to get your money back, of course the family of the person who had taken your money would be worse off, but would you say that's OK then, as long as they are better off I do not mind being worse off?! I think not possibly!

 

Had you been a Mirror employee, and you discovered that Robert Maxwell had used the company pension fund for improper purposes, would you say I will not sue the Mirror because the other workers will be dis-advantaged? No, I guess not!

 

As I have said before, I am perfectly happy for others to reap the rewards of their investments with the Society but I can see no moral logic which says it is OK for me to become poorer whilst others get richer at my expense!

I think that my situation is not typical of other WPAs. How can I get advice?

What is proposed is a group claim. This has limitations upon the manner in which a claim is dealt with and I refer you to Clarke Willmott’s proposal dated 1 April 2004 and particularly, the comments under “Individual circumstances” and “What size fits all?

 

Clarke Willmott cannot and will not be providing a personalised service to members of the group.

 

If you require an individual consideration of your circumstances, you should obtain personal legal advice. Clarke Willmott will be happy to provide you with details of their service but obviously, there are many firms of solicitors who would be happy to do so.

Aren't we just making the lawyers richer? Yes, we are. But why should they work for free? The question to be asked is not if the lawyers will be richer but will you get the compensation that you feel is right for you in your circumstances. If you think you are entitled to £20,000 and get £20,000 but the lawyer makes £30,000 in the process but which does not come out of your pocket, why are you complaining. You pay other suppliers, why not lawyers?

 

Peter Scawen

7 May 2004